Comments for Historiann http://www.historiann.com History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 Comment on Aye! by Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2437500 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2437500 Thanks, everyone, for your really smart comments. Thefrogprincess, it’s good to hear from you again! I meant to check in again last night, but I took a late yoga class and then had to deal with a cat jailbreak, so that was it for me last night. As it was, I didn’t get to bed until after 10 p., which is the middle of the night for me.

So it’s a nae this time around, but I think Profane is probably spot-on (and Cameron too, from what I heard this morning on the radio) in predicting that separation is a moot point for the next generation or so. That’s how it’s worked in Quebec, after a breathless run-up to the 1995 vote in which we were told “it could go either way,” the Nos won decisively and no one has talked about Quebec independence since then.

I found it interesting that the LA Times story on the Scottish referendum interviewed two volunteers from the Yes Campaign who were 1) Quebecois, and 2) Catalan, and the woman from Catalonia specifically said that if Scotland goes its own way, then it will pave the way for the Catalan people. bme Brit’s concerns are something to watch for, though, in any resurgence of nationalism.

As for oil: isn’t that a 20th C concern? I’m thinking that water (and access to the arctic) is going to be the next oil, so arctic nations may be positioned to leverage that advantage. There’s a lot of fresh water in Quebec, which could be a real goldmine in the next century.

Eh, but what do I know, being Historiann & not Futuriann?

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Comment on Aye! by Profane http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2437415 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:34:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2437415 @bme brit
I found this photo telling about Scottish nationalism’s continued civic, rather than ethnic virtues:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/09/1410300896986_wps_6_Scotland_s_First_Minister.jpg

That said, I cannot help but think you are spot on with regards to what a YES vote might have unleashed in the UK as a whole.

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Comment on Aye! by Profane http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2437411 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:31:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2437411 I lived in Edinburgh through most of the 90s during my graduate school years, so I have been following this with great interest. First and foremost, I wish to congratulate Scotland on its 84.5% turnout – a wonderful example for the world of how democracy SHOULD work. Second, the result reinforces the idea Scotland is a deeply conservative (as opposed to Conservative) nation (the result of the 2011 Parliamentary elections shocked me, as did the poll a couple weeks ago that showed the YES votes ahead). Third, I cannot help but wonder whether this is the end of the Scottish Independence movement for this generation. What are the chances that we will see, again, a conjunction of a (1) deeply unpopular Westminster government; (2) a SNP majority in the Scottish Parliament; (3) an absolutely pathetic NO campaign?

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Comment on Aye! by bme brit http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2437182 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:07:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2437182 I’ve been reading here for a while, but Feminist Avatar’s comment got me to come out of lurkerville. I totally understand the sense of dismay that many Scots are feeling this morning, just to be clear. That being said, I feel an enormous sense of relief that the no side won (despite my disdain for the Tories, et al). As a POC, the idea of a yes vote truly frightened me in terms of what it would say about growing (white) ethno-nationalisms in the country. Certainly, I don’t think it would have led to much good for those of us who, by virtue of ancestry and skin colour, don’t have the option to be anything but British.

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Comment on Aye! by Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2437096 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:36:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2437096 Well the result is in and I, a Scot, sitting quietly weeping. But, can I just say, I hate the idea that this is about economics and especially about oil. 1) We have a pretty decent economy without oil compared to many European nations that go it alone; and 2) voting for independence should have been about identity and difference and a desire for autonomy – not to be the richest of them all.

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Comment on Aye! by Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2436990 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:27:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2436990 A Scot of my acquaintance hereabouts says tonight that any meaningful data about the vote won’t come in until about 2-3 a.m., Eastern Time, so this is one I won’t wait up for. I would vote “no,” but it’s not my call. When the oil runs out, not sure what would be the next resort. Political coalitions, and the political valences of sub-national places, come and go.

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Comment on Aye! by thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2436814 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 01:16:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2436814 I’m with Susan (and also a British historian—not sure I ever revealed that when I was regularly blogging). It’s one of those rare and unfortunate occasions when what I think is the “right” decision coincides with politics I very much dislike and rewards a PM I don’t like. An independent Scotland wouldn’t be a failed state, of course, but the switch would be far, far rougher than the Yes side is letting on. That said, the general tenor of the No campaign is evidence of why so many want to leave. It seems clear, though, that if Scotland stays (and despite my earlier prediction, that’s looking the more likely outcome), devo max must happen and fast.

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Comment on Aye! by Susan http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2436719 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:29:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2436719 I’m totally riveted (and since actual results will start coming in shortly, there is something to be riveted to. As a British historian, I am agnostic leaning to no — I see the romance of independence, but disentangling economies and societies will be very difficult: and the yes people have, I think, underestimated the bitterness should they win. I don’t thing the English will make things easy for them. On the other hand, I much prefer Scottish policies to current British ones, so . . .

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Comment on Aye! by loumac http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/18/aye/comment-page-1/#comment-2436469 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:48:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23252#comment-2436469 I’m an expat Scot, ineligible to vote but following everything keenly, and I’ve moved from Yes to agnostic, (except on haggis which I’ll always be in favour of). I signed up for a MOOC on the referendum, run by Edinburgh University, which has been a good resource but all I see now is shades of gray! There are compelling arguments for and against, and it’s not just pragmatism and banks versus idealism and unicorns.
If anyone’s interested, the 6-week MOOC is in its 4th week and you can still sign up and catch up. As a supplemental resource for a complex issue (as opposed to a substitute for a real class), it’s been better than just reading the news. https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/indyref

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Comment on The Union Army’s false Afro-Canadians by Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/09/17/the-union-armys-false-afro-canadians/comment-page-1/#comment-2436388 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:53:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=23235#comment-2436388 I’ve had Europeans and even fellow Americans mistake me for Canadian just for trying to speak the local language and for not speaking English loudly at the breakfast table.

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