Comments on: Tuesday roundup: hellz to the FAIL, or CU booze & loser cruise, and who’s screwed by CSU-Pueblo http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:08:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Anon http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1918440 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 21:02:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1918440 From what I’ve read of CU-B’s philosophy department, there’s been a history of extremely inappropriate behaviour around social events with alcohol, and, as the report suggests, abstaining from serving alcohol at department events is an easy and obvious way to signal that the department is changing, which has to be their top priority. The amount of anger that suggestion’s generated is incredible.

I don’t think there’s a problem with alcohol at receptions in my own department, and I would feel disappointed if for some reason alcohol was removed as it would seem really infantalising.

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By: Northern Barbarian http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1918294 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:21:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1918294 Our college is undergrad only, so that automatically puts a bar up against most campus drinking, but even at all-adult dinners we are required to have a bartender to serve the beer and wine, and I believe that the hard stuff is banned. Now, I enjoy drinking (had a nightcap of a nice rye last night after a long day), but I am really taken aback by professors who insist that alcohol is a necessary requirement of professional interaction. And can we get rid of the idea that rotten behavior is acceptable among academics? I like to think that younger historians have cleaned things up a bit, but we’ll see what happens as we get older. I still do see a fair number of historians (older men all) who really want to live in a boys’ clubhouse with no annoying rules about proper behavior. Did they just never grow up?

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917435 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:50:07 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917435 A-HAHAHAHA!!!! Well said.

I think you’re right: Philosophy has been a holdout against the women’s movement & remains a very masculine bastion among the humanities. If you read any of the feminist/women’s philosophy blogs, they will blow your hair back with stories that could be in Mad Men episode (or a Dickens novel) that were set nevertheless in the 21st century.

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By: EngLitProf http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917381 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:34:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917381 Well, philosophy the institution has some problems when it comes to behavior in general. Regarding your earlier comment about “a bridge too far for some of our male colleagues”: I don’t know if “our” colleagues are the issue here, Historiann. I read several blogs that deal with philosophy, and I feel as if I just took a trip in a time machine: many philosophy departments out there are the way English departments (and history departments?) were thirty or forty years ago. For one thing, there persists the conviction that brilliance and boorishness go together.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917354 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:33:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917354 I think you’re right, TR: Philosophy has an alcohol problem.

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By: Tenured Radical http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917351 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:20:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917351 Isn’t it Philosophy that has a big, alcohol fueled reception at its annual meeting so that those on the job market can get hit on by a larger pool of menz who may or may not be hiring? I recall reading about this at some point, maybe in the CHe , but probably on a blog

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917168 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 07:29:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917168 Welcome to Twitter! I am on Twitter the way I’m on Facebook – I drop in from time to time. I think of it as stopping in at a nice bar or cocktail party, full of interesting conversations, but I don’t have time to be there all the time. I’m most interested by the links people post, less in the conversations. But maybe that’s because I haven’t done enough to get it.

As for drinking, there are lots of different ways people drink. I have been interested in recent pieces about having a conscious relationship to alcohol. In that way, it’s like food – our culture has an unhealthy relationship to it. (So maybe we just have an unhealthy relationship to consumption?) Like you, I’m thinking about it more, trying to work out how to avoid what I see as the twin poles of American behavior, moralism and unthinking excess. Like really good food, alcohol can be a source of pleasure in a range of contexts. Fortunately, at work it’s very hard to serve alcohol, so we only serve at big events, or as part of dinners. Though I do have a colleague who has the cardboard container for a bottle of Jameson’s on hir desk, and I think it’s part of hir “I’m cool and rebellious” persona. But it makes me a little queasy.

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By: sophylou http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917082 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:12:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917082 Hey, if you’re on Twitter, we can have a real old-fashioned tweetup at OAH! (or… barn dance, or, horse lassoing, or something). My program got lost in the mail, and their conference app keeps crashing on me, but not before I noticed that your panel is right after mine.

Re: alcohol, I am not a big drinker and I have been continually surprised at how much of adult life seems to revolve around talking about alcohol. Not just drinking it, but talking about drinking it, taking pictures of it, and so on.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1917010 Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:36:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1917010 Maybe I really am a humorless bluestocking who just needs to lighten up. Aren’t we all of us here?

This is just more evidence about how conservative academic departments and academic culture really is. The notion that one might want to rethink the professionalism and wisdom of drinking heavily with colleagues and grad students is a bridge too far for some of our male colleagues. Doesn’t seem all that crazy to me, but then again, I neither need nor want to date students, so I guess I just can’t relate.

Katherine, I think I have to conclude that the entire state of Colorado has a major drinking problem. (But CU Philosoproffies ain’t helping.)

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By: Anon http://www.historiann.com/2014/02/04/tuesday-roundup-hellz-to-the-fail-or-cu-booze-loser-cruise-and-whos-screwed-by-csu-pueblo/comment-page-1/#comment-1916995 Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:48:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22351#comment-1916995 As a female faculty member, the idea of going out drinking with my grad students (half of whom are male) and then hitting on them? It’s just … totally bizarre and alien. And then justifying it as an important part of the intellectual life of the department? Maybe I really am a humorless bluestocking who just needs to lighten up. Lol.

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