Comments on: “Run around out there, kids.” http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:45:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: “I liked this blog much better when he only wrote about MOOCs.” | More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1933397 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:41:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1933397 […] one person e-mail an entire campus? I explained this in the comments at Historiann’s place at one point, but I might as well do it now in plain sight. Here at CSU-Pueblo, almost every e-mail distribution […]

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911452 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:36:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911452 In my system, which is also undergoing some “retrenchment” of instructional personnel at some smaller campuses, the imbecility and inarticulateness of the official statements justifying and characterizing those decisions was truly shocking. Borderline illiterate or at least a-literate would not be too strong a description; way beyond the fluff-ball linguistic administrativity that we complain about all the time. These really sounded uneducated.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911434 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:26:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911434 If it were written better, one might be tempted to read it as a threat to McGettigan and his allies that the president & chancellor of the uni are going to go all Sung Hui Cho at CSU-P. But you’re right, CPP: the absence of basic grammar (the shifting usage of pronouns–”we” to “everone” to “you”) suggests that this administration is in free-fall.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911361 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:25:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911361 What’s also bizarre is how ineptly written the president’s official statement is. The grammar and usage are at a near-illiterate level one expects on Passive Aggressive Notes, not in an official communication from the chief executive of a large institution.

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By: koshembos http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911181 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:42:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911181 The distribution lists, the questionable “partial,” ???, restoration of email “privileges” are minor issues.

The question of whether the Dogs will apologies better be answered by the local people. Same with what amounts to a total surrender of the Dogs.

A larger view of the scandal involves the power faculty has over the running of the university. For decades, I tried to convince colleagues that faculty and student stay, while the administration is the Foreign Legion.

The larger fight doesn’t require a surrender. A substantial victory with saving face will be way ahead from where we are now. Nowhere.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911141 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 03:21:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911141 Wow–my apologies! I have never been affiliated with a uni that gave people such promiscuous access to mass emails.

(Or, I never wanted to email the entire campus, so I never inquired?)

My condolences on the amounts of CSU-P generated SPAM, Jonathan. This just goes to show how McGettigan’s Ludlow email would likely have washed away in the tsunami of other mass emails really quickly if the president had had the smarts or the discipline to let it wash away forgotten. But alas! No.

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By: ProfSweddy http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911124 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:49:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911124 At my west slope institution, we can simply type “faculty” into the “to” line and it goes to all faculty (and quite a few administrators). They threatened to take this away several years ago, but never got around to it.

We used to be able to do the same with students, but that went away many, many years ago.

None of us uses this power very often, but it’s there. I think we see it as a potential tool, but one we should use sparingly and cautiously so it stays in our toolbox.

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By: Jonathan Rees http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911122 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:43:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911122 Alas, CC is right. We at CSU-Pueblo are (almost) all capable of e-mailing the whole campus if we are so inclined. I once had a student who was severely admonished for e-mailing the whole campus about a Democratic Party event since it was “political,” but I think students no longer have that capability. Everyone else though definitely does. This is why the amount of university junk mail I get is absolutely unbelievable.

For more context, Tim sent a number of e-mails out advertising the pre-meeting rally before it actually happened. All were opinionated. Like the last one, none were out of line IMHO. However, I expected him to get wrist-slapped for e-mailing the whole campus, not for the content of his messages. But no, the administration went for the most provocative thing they could possibly do – cutting his e-mail off without a warning, which is only justified in their own electronic media policy by claiming that he’s a threat to public safety.

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By: Contingent Cassandra http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911097 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:34:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911097 The list names in the header of McGettigan’s email (reproduced on an AAUP site to which Jonathan Rees linked: http://aaupcolorado.org/2014/01/18/the-children-of-ludlow-tim-mcgettigans-offending-email-and-csu-pueblos-response/ ) look very comprehensive: “students,” “faculty,” “classified staff,” etc. They appear to be established, quite comprehensive lists, and apparently McGettigan had access to a number of them, which would be highly unusual for anyone at the department level in my university.

That’s how I formed my impression of the situation, but I could be misinterpreting the list names. Whether this sort of thing can work may also depend on the size of the campus. On mine, this sort of list would almost certainly produce instant email gridlock (if nothing else, the servers would buckle under the weight of the “stop emailing everyone” emails sent to everyone). There are just too many of us.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2014/01/22/run-around-out-there-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-1911094 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:22:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22290#comment-1911094 How big exactly are these allegedly “large distribution groups?” At CSU-FC, I know a few addresses that permit me to email to distribution lists w/i my department or the AAUP membership, but nothing beyond that. I wouldn’t conclude that McGettigan emailed anything beyond something like that, maybe cc’d to Martin and Di Mare.

The Inside Higher Ed article says that McGettigan “sent out an email to students and faculty members,” and didn’t specify a mass-distribution list. The Pueblo Chieftan says merely that “he can’t use large distribution groups at this time and that’s subject to review.” I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think that “large distribution groups” necessarily have to be all that large to come to the attention of pissy administrators.

FA and CC are right, in that anyone spamming the entire campus would quickly come to be seen as a provocateur and a pest. That’s not how it seems people regard McGettigan, however, given the level of faculty and student support for him.

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