Comments on: Peace on Earth! Or, the Christmas that job wiki rage went viral. http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: On Rage, Smarm, and the Great Academic Labor Debates | The Seminar Table http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1895701 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:23:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1895701 […] the many posts and tweets about the late-December dust-up between Rebecca (pan kisses kafka) Schuman […]

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By: anonymous grad http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1894054 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:54:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1894054 Free advice and perspectives from the hiring end are always appreciated! Thank you.

I’m not sure what the path will be, but it is clear that seeking alternatives is really important. I’ve recently seen several friends who’d aimed for non-academic employment post-PhD jump back into the academic job market, stressing the need to be open to everything. I think linear, predictable white collar careers are becoming a thing of the past in general, not just in academia.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1893401 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:10:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1893401 Hey, a.g.: I should also have added my agreement about loumac’s point about the letter of application. I would say don’t worry about length (within reason; more than three pages is maybe a problem). What I look for is a convincing narrative explaining your choices and intellectual interests to date, and why taking at job at my university is clearly the most logical next step in your career because you can bring us X and Y, and we can offer you Z and Q, etc. It’s always disconcerting when a person’s advisor appears to have a better and clearer articulation of the applicant’s research and its significance than the applicant herself!

If you have a senior friend or colleague you can consult, ask him or her to look at your CV and letter. I do this for my adjunct and VAP colleagues all of the time, and I think it’s been helpful to them.

That said: who knows what will happen to you. Academia may not work out for you, but have confidence that you have picked up some knowledge and skills that will be more generously rewarded if you’re willing to think about alternatives to academic work.

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By: anonymous grad http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1893388 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 19:48:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1893388 This comment thread may actually have the only glints of positivity in this whole kerfuffle.

First of all, thanks to Loumac for saying that the candidate’s letter matters so much in hiring. Also being “raised by wolves,” I get most of my info on the job market from the internet, which is indeed full of speculation. Hearing that something so simple, straightforward, and in the candidate’s control actually is important is pretty encouraging.

Also, thanks to Historiann for saying that things do get better! I’m 28, in a cheap top floor apartment, and wistfully dreaming of jobs and an end to laundromat trips myself, so it’s really nice to hear someone say they too felt stuck at the same point but moved on. Not everyone’s paths are the same, of course, but it’s nice nevertheless.

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By: How the Tenured are to the Job Market as White People are to Racism | The Professor Is In http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1893235 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:48:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1893235 […] Tenured Radical links—in the second column– to a post by blogger Historiann which tells us how nice Tenured Radical really […]

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By: Year’s End | Worthless Drivel http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1892477 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 01:44:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1892477 […] has erupted over the holidays in the pages of my favorite academic blogs, Tenured Radical and Historiann. In brief, it seems that a number of pseudonymous discussants projected upon a […]

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By: C http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1892322 Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:49:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1892322 After getting my PhD I had a one year VAP, but I’m now halfway through my 2nd year in a TT position (and served on a (failed) search committee my first year) – so I don’t know which group I’m supposed to “fit” into. I empathize with those who are hurting but I too (like someone upthread) went into my job-market years with a plan for how long I was willing to give it a go before I got out, and I had some fairly detailed plans for steps to take at certain points were that to happen. I love what I do and I love my job, but it’s not the only thing that I could have possibly done in my working life. Maybe this attitude also came from growing up in a family that moved a lot because my parents had to change jobs frequently (not necessarily between industries but we were moving every 3-4 years), so the idea of picking up and trying something new is pretty familiar to me.

I’ll also echo what Z said about the qualifications of applicants – we really struggled with our pool because we’re in a not-immediately-desirable location (though we love it) with a low cost of living which also translates into salaries that look low compared to other regions – even though they’re within the norm where we live (which doesn’t mean we as a faculty don’t work to get all of us – tenure-stream, instructor, lecturer, adjunct – paid more!). We also have some pretty unique institutional qualities that may have scared off a number of qualified candidates. From conversations with my more senior colleagues the pool we got for the search I was on was pretty typical for our institution – we get a lot of people who don’t come anywhere close to meeting the minimum qualifications (like people applying for a required-PhD position with only a BA or MA, not even ABD). 20% meeting the requirements would be optimistic for us.

We *want* to hire a new colleague – and selfishly I’d love to not be the only junior faculty member in my department!

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By: A guiding set of principles for the professional use of social media : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1891875 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:47:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1891875 […] the flamewar over rage at the current academic job market, in which the rage was redirected onto Tenured Radical for daring to question the long-term […]

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By: sophylou http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1891871 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:28:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1891871 Casualty of the early 2000s market speaking here. I can’t help wondering what a friend of mine, a veteran journalist of 20+ years who lost his job in the recession and has had to turn to freelance work, would think about statements about journalism allowing you to say “whatever the f*ck you want.” Academia isn’t the only field experiencing employment/legitimacy crises.

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By: Flavia http://www.historiann.com/2013/12/24/peace-on-earth-or-the-christmas-that-job-wiki-rage-went-viral/comment-page-2/#comment-1891860 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:42:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=22171#comment-1891860 Re: the persistent “inside hire” paranoia: I wrote about this earlier this fall, and a great conversation/sharing of personal experiences developed in the comments (all agreeing, basically, that this just isn’t something worth worrying about).

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