Comments on: Citations, the Chicago way. http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:43:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Martial law http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1840367 Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:08:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1840367 Well I think that there should be a standardized way of doing the Chicago citation or else students would be confused about the format of it. It seems like students are more familiar with MLA or APA. I haven’t seen a case where science teachers or English teachers required their students to have it in Chicago style. But that’s a different story.

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By: Anymouse http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1741393 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 23:11:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1741393 Word Starter is the version of Microsoft Word given out for free with most new computers. It is definitely crippleware.

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By: That’s Professor Fail to you : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1740908 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:41:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1740908 […] my high dudgeon over my students’ failure to appreciate the convenience and effectiveness of Chic…  I had my panties in a wad over a stack of papers I collected a few weeks ago, in which about half […]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1738700 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:47:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1738700 What is Word Starter or Writer? Never heard of them. Most of my students use Microsoft Word–I’ve never encountered a student who couldn’t do footnotes or endnotes.

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By: Anymouse http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1738081 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:22:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1738081 One difficulty is that Word Starter lacks the ability to create a footnote. I usually get by via copying an pasting a preexisting footnote and editing that, or simply using Writer, but I assume not everyone knows how to do that.

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By: Belle http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1737252 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:40:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1737252 I’m rather draconian about it. I show ‘em, tell ‘em, walk them through ‘is this a language class? no? then don’t use Modern LANGUAGE format, OR APA… use HISTORY format.’ And if they use MLA? They lose points allotted to formatting citations. Period.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1736306 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 23:04:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1736306 Zest linked to that three days ago upthread! But, it’s worth a re-link, to be sure.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1736239 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:13:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1736239 Sorry, forgot to h/t Nicole and Maggie for the Onion link.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1736238 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:13:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1736238 http://www.theonion.com/articles/4-copy-editors-killed-in-ongoing-ap-style-chicago,30806/

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By: HighSchoolPhD http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/23/citations-the-chicago-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1735984 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:08:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21942#comment-1735984 After leaving the academy a year ago to teach at an independent boarding school I can tell you this:
1) A lot of high school history teachers don’t have advanced degrees in history (rather, they have a Masters in Education) and therefore do not teach discipline specific skills Chicago Style is only one of them (oh, the stories I could tell that would horrify you).
2) No one explains to high school students why citations are important and why historians use Chicago Style (see all of your very valid points, above).
3) Once you do explain this to students, they get it, and try hard to fix it.
4) Most high school teachers are so busy trying to do content coverage, deal with parents, the state’s (or board of their school’s) directives, or grading papers, that this stuff can get lost in the shuffle.

Students really do want to learn, but in the era of standardized testing they learn that there is only 1 right way to do things. Or else they fail. They are not taught the very basics of our discipline: interpretation, analysis, argument-making, and flexible thinking. They are only rewarded for rote repetition and not for creative analytical work. The footnote discussion points to a larger problem facing colleges and universities in the years to come: you are getting students who have not be taught the very basic analytical and critical skills necessary for the most basic intro classes. The is because the secondary school system in this country is increasingly failing our students.

What does this mean for College and University Educators? High Schoolers are conditioned to act one way for at least 4 years of high school. It will take a lot to break those bad habits and help them understand what this discipline is really about.
I often wonder if Higher Ed is truly aware and/or ready to deal with this. And I wonder if there shouldn’t be greater conversations about this between High School and College educators?
I’ve brought this up at the AHA at a meeting with secondary school educators and was given the impression that that was not the role of the AHA. But if not there, then where?

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