Comments on: Alice Munro wins the Nobel Prize in Literature http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:04:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Shelley http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1728866 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:09:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1728866 I don’t think Monocle Man is making a comment about women’s literature in particular.

And it’s kind of hard to disagree with what he says.

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By: Monocle Man http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1721588 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:50:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1721588 Delagar -

When I peer through my monocle, I can see that you teach fiction writing. And I think that you can see that, due to the effort I put into my comments here and the bon mots that bring a wry smile even to those who find my viewpoint to be mired in false consciousness, and due to the fact that I only post on matters of literature, I come to this site with a sincere heart.

I took a couple of creative writing classes at the university in the late 1980′s. For the record, I was terrible, and my lack of any sort of meaningful life experience was matched only by my pretentiousness. But I must say that there was an overwhelming push back against meta, absurd, and highly modern fiction, and that, yes, everyone wanted to write the perfect story with the perfect humble setting and the perfect wayward utterance that leads the protagonist into just the right understanding of his wretched and misbegotten past.

So, let us lay down our possible disagreement about Alice Munro, let me praise you for teaching the craft, and let me ask you this – are there any trends you can identify or generalizations you can make about the prose stylings and narrative aspirations of your students?

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By: delagar http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1720499 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:09:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1720499 Monocle Man insists he has left his gender essentialism out of this comment he writes specifically to complain about Alice Monro winning the Nobel Prize for her banal little stories.

Then he explains how he likes “Carvarian” fictionista so much more, with their mimetic representations of huntin’ and shootin’ and other manly activities! I mean, who wouldn’t!

Except you girls, of course, with all your love of I don’t know, knittin’ and babies and similar unfizzly matters.

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By: Monocle Man http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1719516 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:47:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1719516 OK, there is dramatic tension in Carver, but generally it fizzles out with the characters driving home from wherever they were and ruminating on this and that.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I read so many stories, authored by men and women, that are like pick a poignant yet mundane circumstance from column A, pick a microscopic dialogical shard from column B, pick an overwhelming dreadful sensation from column C, and there you have it.

Forgive my generalizations in this thread. I feel like can do better on the history of narrative modes, so I am going to retreat to the lit-bro cave with Erich Auerbach’s Mimesis, surely the finest work this vexing topic of interiority.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1719453 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:45:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1719453 Raymond Carver “free of dramatic tension?” Whatever, dude.

I think you miss a lot of the history of the domestic novel/short story if you think it begins with Joyce. Mme. Bovary was a very interior novel, too.

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By: Monocle Man http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1717847 Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:02:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1717847 The careful reader will see that, although I am prone to gender essentialism, I left it out of this discussion.

Let’s take my beloved Raymond Carver for example. His stories are just as bleak, pointless, plotless, precious, and free of dramatic tension as those of Jhumpa Lahiri. The only difference is that I have deep empathy for the Carverian narrator because my previous life experience includes large swaths of fishing, drinking, poverty, strife, and fauxchismo. I can plainly see how a story entirely about a guy getting drunk and ruminating about his relationships does not hold universal appeal or shed light on the human condition.

My point is that ever since James Joyce hinged The Dead on one moment of profound dialogue, the template seems to be profoundly interior and as a result petty.

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1717831 Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:44:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1717831 Even I, the one who gets culture from yoghurt, have heard of Alice Munro. So I followed Susan’s link to some of the open stories. I read the earliest one in the list, Boys and Girls, 1968, and Runaways, 2003.

If there’d been an antidepressant in the house, I would’ve taken it afterwards. She’s right up there with Chekhov and Gogol. (I grew up in a Russian-speaking household with a literature prof mother, so I read them first as a teenager.) She’s captured the essence of how sexism pulverizes souls and lives, at least in those two stories.

I needed the antidepressant for the thought that someone with such gifts and so widely read has laid it out so clearly, and yet I can’t say I’ve noticed much increase in understanding of how the other half lives. Not even among the elites who read Munro.

There’s no hope.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1717826 Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:40:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1717826 Unless it’s by Jonathan Franzen, in which case it’s genius!

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By: delagar http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1717821 Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:32:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1717821 Monocle Man echoes many another man through history: “That can’t be good writing, because just look what she wrote about!”

Only certain kinds of writing are worth writing, my dear. It must be War and Peace, or well, perhaps something like Othello — shall I kill the hussy or NOT? What a difficult CHOICE! — but it can’t be women’s lives and their choices, because that’s just bleak. Just unremarkable. Just BANAL.

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By: Monocle Man http://www.historiann.com/2013/10/10/alice-munro-wins-the-nobel-prize-in-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-1717716 Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:12:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21918#comment-1717716 As Dostoevsky opined, we have all crawled out from beneath Gogol’s Overcoat. And to where? Right into Chekhov’s Trivial Incident. When I peer through my monocle at a modern short story I see characters who can barely be distinguished from the author, I see a setting that is truly as bleak as the truck stops for which the genre was named, I see characters watching television and driving around in order to honor the generic North American day, I hear utterances that come out wrong and are then unheard and ignored, I read descriptions of people whose appearance is completely unremarkable in every way, and of course I see conflict, the bedrock of storytelling, not the kind that is created by physical action, or difficult choices, or an uncertain outcome, but rather the kind that a character will experience as an unexpressed fleeting existential twinge caused by one of the aforementioned banal exchanges. Alfred Nobel would dynamite himself if he could see what the short story has come to.

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