Comments on: All the single ladies, part ZOMGeleventy!!111!!! http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:29:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: sophylou http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1592344 Mon, 05 Aug 2013 04:27:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1592344 I used to do a unit on the history of dating — read Kathy Peiss, watch the Coney Island scene in “It,” lecture from Beth Bailey, how-to dating film from Prelinger Archives. And everyone, men and women, had to go to Seventeen online to take a dating quiz (“what kind of date are you?” etc — I gave them a choice of quizzes) and bring in results so we could discuss how limiting/limited answer choices were and what they implied. Especially fun to hear male students’ reactions/scores.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591873 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:16:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591873 Thanks, sophylou! I think I’m going to assign something like that, plus the 1954 Atlantic article, plus something from the 1920s, and then the “hookup culture” article to my students this term, as I’m teaching history of sexuality again. I think this is something our current college students might have something to say about.

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By: sophylou http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591869 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:08:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591869 An important title in the “ZOMG STUDYING HURTS THE LADY PARTS!” school of thought is Edward H. Clarke’s Sex in Education.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591652 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 15:55:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591652 Oh, I agree completely, Z. It’s the persistent nature of these complaints/anxieties about college women that interest me, across 150 years now (and counting.)

I’m sorry that some of you were unable to find my update & big reveal–I published that yesterday morning. Maybe hitting your refresh button a few times will do it, if you haven’t found the answer yet?

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591109 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 05:55:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591109 Yes but it rather resembles the article on the so-called hookup culture that came out somewhere Atlantic-like a few weeks ago.

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By: sophylou http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591026 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 03:50:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591026 Lindsay, I got the Betty Friedan vibe, too. I’m working my way through Seventeen magazines from 1963-1967 right now and though I haven’t had time to read terribly carefully (frantically scanning from ILLed microfilm against a deadline AND my library now on intersession hours :( ) there are echoes of the book in 1963-1964 (as far as I’ve gotten!). There’s also a regular column on choosing colleges and careers. And at the back, each issue has two pages of small ads for colleges, correspondence courses, beauty schools, secretarial schools, etc.

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By: ProfSweddy http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1591023 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 03:49:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1591023 What’s the answer? What’s the answer?

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1590565 Sat, 03 Aug 2013 18:17:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1590565 OK, Historiann, TELL us!!!!

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By: tony grafton http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1590032 Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:35:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1590032 I’d guess the early sixties, post Sex and the Single Girl (1962) but not that long post.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2013/08/02/all-the-single-ladies-part-zomgeleventy111/comment-page-1/#comment-1590000 Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:00:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21639#comment-1590000 I’m guessing 1950s but with respect to the comments regarding the use of “girls” as a pre-anything giveaway would not work in the Commonwealth country where I now reside. The gents, who are not boys, use “girls” when they mean women all the time. I correct students when they do this, which probably only solidifies my status as “not from around here.”

I made a similar corrective to a male colleague from a North Atlantic country during a meeting this week. After the umpteenth use of “fellow” to refer to a generic prospective consultant hire, I suggested “or she might…” Nervous laughs all around. I was later told by a well meaning male friend that “all the men in X country do that.” I replied that in my experience, most of the men in the world do that. Good times.

My only real offering here is that “girls” and similar as a time marker is naive.

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