Comments on: Historiann stumbles out of the wilderness to find the Lords of MOOC creation have successfully placed an advertorial in the Washington Post http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 01:22:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Contingent Cassandra http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1587162 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:07:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1587162 Oops — I was referring to the president of my university, not President Obama (I have not recently attended a “visioning meeting” w/ President Obama, but I can see where the confusion came from).

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By: Will the MOOCpocalypse kill graduate science programs? | Jung's Biology Blog http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1586899 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:00:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1586899 [...] Jonathan Chait (College Professors are about to get really mad at President Obama) and Historiann (Historiann stumbles out of the wilderness to find the Lords of MOOC creation have successfully place…) are recent thoughts I’ve read on the topic. Jonathan Rees is one of the loudest critics of [...]

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1582990 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:30:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1582990 Everybody explains things to others and shows them how to do things. So everybody teaches in some capacity. Everybody also learns. So why in hell is it so hard for people to understand that learning is an even more critical part of education than teaching?

Also, too, I’m fed up to the eyeteeth with the BS about “Oh, all those dotty old profs are just protecting their jobs.” It’s got nothing to do with their jobs. If we really were totally useless, we fully deserve to go the way of the buggy whip manufacturers. What we are is the professionals in this field, and we’re telling you the MOOCs are Doing It All Rong.

Or, as the pithy comment said it so much better: MOOCs are just blow-up dolls pretending to be lovers.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1581316 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:28:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1581316 So it looks like Princeton students — who, whatever else you want to say about htem are expert students, think that MOOCs waste their valuable time, even if it’s the same syllabus and same prof who they are seeing 2-3 times a week.

Of course they realize this! They are smart enough to know that the value of a Princeton education has zero, zip, nada to do with listening to some fucken asshole professor in a dippeshitte bowtie blather at them in a lecture hall while they listen to his magical words. Nor does it have anything to do with interacting online with non-privileged Internet-connected rubes who themselves are listening to some fucken asshole professor in a dippeshitte bowtie blather at them through the Internet while they listen to his magical words.

The value of a Princeton education is being part of a highly privileged community of scholars and thereby interacting face-to-face in a sustained and intense fashion with faculty and other students. The central lie is that elite higher education is about “education” at all, in the sense of “learning substantive subject matter”. Rather, the real value of higher education is (1) learning how to adopt the behavior and communication patterns of a privileged elite and (2) forming intense personal connections with other present and future members of that elite.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1581292 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:09:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1581292 Right on, joellecid!

Thanks for the links, Z and Jonathan. You all should definitely read them. Here’s a taste of “Video killed the radio star:”

It’s still early yet in the process of MOOC-ification. We can still rewind. We haven’t gone too far. Those of us who haven’t given themselves over to the Cult of MOOCs simply have to make sure that anti-MOOC remains the new black until the providers all come crashing down courtesy of their non-existent business plans.

Interestingly, Z’s link describing the personal nest-feathering of some superprofessors helps explain at least some of the incentives that many have for going MOOC. I’ll cut to the chase: it has to do with using MOOCs as a marketing scheme for the expensive textbooks they’ve written, as well as an overall plan for further enriching textbook publishers.

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By: “Video killed the radio star.” | More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1581265 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:48:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1581265 [...] fellow cog in the CSU system machine and future debate partner Historiann reminds of this in her most recent post on MOOC Madness. Here she quotes an absolutely appalling op-ed from the Washington Post: What [...]

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By: joellecid http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1581254 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:36:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1581254 The number losses — “Most of the 48,000 fell quickly by the wayside. Wentzlaff said 1,000 to 2,000 watched videos and did quizzes each week, but only 200 took the tough midterm and final, which were graded by fellow students.” — are astounding. What if I taught a course and only gave lectures, handed off my grading to the students themselves, and passed fewer than .5% of them? Would that still fly as a course? Would I be summarily dismissed or hauled into a very angry meeting with the provost? Or would our department fail its internal and external assessments?

This shoddy reporting and acceptance of intolerable teaching practices is too much. We profs really have to step up and yell louder than ever to halt what will be a massive investment of money into a massive failure of education.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1580578 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:57:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1580578 P.S. Here is a very, very good piece on the whole thing. http://www.hackeducation.com/2013/05/08/coursera-chegg/

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1580522 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:09:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1580522 I passed my MOOC and it was a bad course. Now I am starting one from “Zenith.” Professor is a known person and readings are legit, so it should be better. We’ll see. I have written 2 anti-MOOC essays and am looking for venues. :-) One is hilarious, describing the disaster of my first MOOC.

Most important: language in my MOOC diploma stipulates it cannot count for credit at the issuing university, not even in the extension!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/07/28/historiann-stumbles-out-of-the-wilderness-to-find-the-lords-of-mooc-creation-have-successfully-placed-an-advertorial-in-the-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1580397 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:05:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21594#comment-1580397 Jonathan, thanks for that link. I figured TR was talking about Jeremy Adelman, whose global history course you so expertly critiqued last fall. I didn’t know about the detail about the Princeton students blowing off the MOOC part of the MOOC (or I had forgotten it–I think you linked a few months ago to that P’ton alumni mag article.)

Per Cassandra’s comment: I don’t think Obama knows anything about MOOCs. I don’t think Daphne Koller or Sebastian Thrun know anything about them either, quite frankly. This is why it’s important for people who actually work in classrooms and/or with university students today have to speak up and call bull$hit when we see it.

(Because I get loads of hits from White House IP addresses on this blog. I’m not sayin’. I’m just sayin’.)

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