Comments on: When you see Count MOOCbot, scream and run away! http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 02 Sep 2014 05:10:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Kathleen http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1475788 Mon, 27 May 2013 19:07:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1475788 Oh my god. That article puts into words what I had been experiencing until now as just a set of bad feelings — about how tricky it is to engage in these discussions at all, even to argue, and how much the whole framing seduces academics because we see bad points being made, we *leap* in with our big smart brains to correct, answer back, etc. etc. and then we’re off to the races, participants in the “evaluative process” and the bastards have already won.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1473669 Sun, 26 May 2013 06:01:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1473669 Here is a great article on this in the British context. Read and quake.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/20134238284530760.html

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By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1468277 Wed, 22 May 2013 12:59:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1468277 I read the New Yorker article too and was reminded of the early days of the Web. Harvard and other universities that host these MOOCs are now realizing that they are putting in lots of money for these and not getting any income because the courses are free. Now that they are planning to “monetize” (i.e. charge a fee) for these courses I bet the thousands who have flocked to them will evaporate.

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By: Stephen Greenblatt will not take questions. | More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1468263 Wed, 22 May 2013 12:53:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1468263 [...] is why I’ve decided to go completely over to the position long held by my friend and future debate partner, Historiann. MOOCs are a bubble. They’re like tulips, [...]

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1467483 Wed, 22 May 2013 01:21:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1467483 There is so much sloppy thinking around MOOCs: about education and learning. One line of argument is (essentially) that since Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard, and Steve Jobs didn’t ever finish college, innovation doesn’t require education. At the same time, we have these students who are smart enough to put together their own education (not). If students learn only what either they think they are interested in, or what they think they need to get a job, they won’t be educated. No one will have led them anywhere.

Let alone the idea that the lectures don’t have to change.

Maybe the question we need to ask is how does this integrate with what we know from the scholarship of teaching and learning?

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1467463 Wed, 22 May 2013 00:46:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1467463 No problems. Back home for summer; heading to New York tomorrow!

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1467313 Tue, 21 May 2013 21:51:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1467313 Indyanna — you okay, hon?

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By: squadratomagico http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1467109 Tue, 21 May 2013 18:56:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1467109 I know! Let’s freeze all knowledge right now!! Innovation, questioning, and knowledge-creation are for losers. Let’s just stop all that right now, record a small sample of academic thinking and enshrine it for all, and then continue teaching that for the foreseeable future! By 2050, more and more young people in the US will be absolutely current with the latest in 2013 thinking! That’ll show Finland and South Korea!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1467070 Tue, 21 May 2013 18:28:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1467070 I saw that megachurch comment and thought that it was actually pretty insulting–to megachurches! From what I understand, most of them do far, far more than offer ginormous services twice on Sundays–there are special Sunday school classes for every sex and age group, there are special interest meetings (AA, scouts), book & knitting clubs, etc. And of course, they organize and channel a great deal of charity & philanthropy. They offer on-site child care and coffee shops, and they aim to serve as a kind of town square for meeting people’s spiritual, emotional, and psychological needs.

The ministers who lead these churches are no doubt charismatic, but it seems that effective and long-lasting megachurches actually form mini- and micro-communities within them that keep folks connected to each other & keep them coming back. Whereas MOOCs and MOOC students have been notoriously resistant to forming or participating in any mini- or micro-communities within them. (See A.J. Jacobs’s article on his experience with MOOCs, and Jonathan Rees’s experiences as a MOOC student as well at More or Less Bunk anytime since August 2012.)

In my view, Jacobs is a soft grader for giving the “overall experience” a B. Given all of the problems he notes as a guy who already has an Ivy-league education, multiply them by 50, and that will be the experience of your average undergraduate MOOC target student. In the end, I think this is the most we can say about MOOCs, when Jacobs writes, “But MOOCs provided me with the thrill of relatively painless self-improvement and an easy introduction to heady topics. And just as important, they gave me relief from the guilt of watching ‘Swamp People.’”

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By: smalltownprof http://www.historiann.com/2013/05/20/when-you-see-count-moocbot-scream-and-run-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1466816 Tue, 21 May 2013 14:25:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21247#comment-1466816 Great article in the NEW YORKER about MOOCs. What is the main testing mode used in MOOCs? Good old multiple choice tests! Sign up now with 50,000 of your global village comrades to watch short snippets of a professor talking to the camera! As one pundit said, “the universities have discovered the megachurch.”

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