Comments on: Dear Elle Magazine, http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: The I'm Too Busy to Blog Post: Fat Armpits, Supreme Court Mulligans, and Mad Men's Recent History - Tenured Radical - The Chronicle of Higher Education http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1441661 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:06:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1441661 [...] beauty that are designed to produce mass anxiety and body shame? (See Historiann on this very topic here.) And has anyone but me noticed that it is no longer okay for celebrities to just get pregnant and [...]

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1438373 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:00:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1438373 (Seems to be an issue with Firefox. Works in Chromium. I wonder why the Chronicle hates Firefox?)

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By: Monocle Man http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1438214 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:27:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1438214 My monocle almost fell out when I read this. Rock and roll equals sex and Kim Gordon equals rock and roll Q.E.D. The Wikipedia photo from 2005 shows her in a most athletic position and you can see that performing this sort of propulsive, manic, and most of all electric music night after night has kept her in remarkable shape.

Can there be any doubt that Ms. Gordon is the most towering and inspirational female figure in the history of rock music? Her unconventional and wide-ranging vocal style was the perfect complement to the myriad alternate tunings deployed by Sonic Youth, and her cryptic poetry reflected a refreshingly diverse and profound attitude towards womanhood, not that I know anything about that, but still.

I could go all “I was there first” and point to the haunting “Shadow of a Doubt” from 1986, a direct homage to Patricia Highsmith presented with an equally murderous aesthetic.

But to me Kim’s shining moment will always be 1992′s “Shoot”, a song about a woman possibly killing her abusive partner before aborting their unborn child, but written with an unexpected emphasis on the interaction between the two of them beforehand. Her presentation of the complexity of the human condition was a perfect match for the polyphonous but always melodic strains of one of the greatest bands of all time.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1438198 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:04:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1438198 quixote–it worked for me just now–maybe there was an issue with the Chronicle server? And Western Dave: I can’t say whether or not the bottoms Gordon is wearing are intended to serve as underwear or not, but I have a drawerful of things like that, and they’re underpants to me.

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1438117 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:29:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1438117 (The link to Tenured Radical’s article goes to a “page not found.” Not your fault. It does this also when trying to reach it from The Chronicle’s main page. Any idea what’s going on?)

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1437329 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:48:47 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1437329 That’s underpants?!!!? Now I’m just creeped out. I thought it was some sort of high concept fashion piece from her new line.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1437060 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:22:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1437060 Good pickup! I like the fringe skirt–it’s rather dignified, compared to the underpants in this photo.

I guess that’s the thing that chaps my a$$. It’s just undignified for women of any age to be shown in their underwear. Historically in early America and the United States, it’s only low-status women (enslaved women, Native American women, and white prostitutes) who are portrayed in engravings, photographs, or paintings in the nude or partially undressed.

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1436219 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:55:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1436219 The pose and outfit are similar to some of the most famous photographs of Gordon such as the fringe dress http://i.huffpost.com/gen/538410/thumbs/r-KIM-GORDON-STYLE-large.jpg. My first reaction was, “I’ve seen this shot before.” I’m not a huge Sonic Youth fan but I have seen them in concert and am familiar enough with them like anyone who listened to “college music” in the 80s. I think the photo is supposed to be a take on the earlier Gordon photos in the same pose but now without guitar. But I also think it falls flat. I don’t know if I would like it better with guitar, or in an outfit from a different period of the band. Or if they had just gone in a different direction entirely.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1436078 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:22:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1436078 The photo just echoes the “strength through vulnerability” trope.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/24/dear-elle-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-1435730 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:05:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=21064#comment-1435730 Heh. I think you’re right, Otto, but I think implicitly humiliating Gordon and making her conform to the prevailing conventions for exploiting women’s bodies was the more important goal.

Matt: great points. Pr0n culture is pervasive, everywhere. You should read Female Chauvinist Pigs by Ariel Levy to see her analysis, and her amazement that it’s women as well as men who are mainstreaming pR0n values and aesthetics.

But, at age 59, Gordon is herself a baby boomer.

Finally, for more on the domination of antifeminist values in publishing, see Tenured Radical’s post today, for sure.

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