Comments on: Are you there, God? It’s Margaret. http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 17:08:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1419342 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:53:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1419342 Excellent! I love it.

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By: GlassPen http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1419337 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:51:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1419337 Thought this bit of graffiti summed it up nicely:

“Iron Lady? Rust in Peace”

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By: Sweet Sue http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1419205 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:38:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1419205 Farewell, Maggie, we knew ye only too well.

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By: Tenured Radical http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1418003 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:39:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1418003 I meant Indira *Ghandi* –

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By: Tenured Radical http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1418001 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:38:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1418001 On the NewsHour last night, George Schultz and James Baker were repeatedly asked whether Thatcher was feminine; whether she sacrificed her femininity for being the leader of the free world and whatnot. It was just bizarre. The boys said, Oh no! Although Baker told this fascinating story about how early on in her political career she was mocked for dressing too smartly, so she hired Saatchi & Saatchi, the ad agency, who gave her instructions on how to become more *dowdy.* This gave her hte advantage, Baker pointed out, of being able to once again up her game when she became PM.

Then the first woman PM of Canada (Kim Campbell?) came on and gushed about how she was the first great female world leader (they can’t say head of state because of the Queen), and I’m thinking — Golda Meir? Indira Ghana? Benazir Bhutto?

I think this must have been the reason to allow that movie about Thatcher’s dementia: it made everyone else soft in the head and permitted everyone to forget what a horror show she was.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1417876 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:36:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1417876 Another link: Paul Krugman writes, “There will presumably be a lot of commentary about Margaret Thatcher over the next few days, although probably nothing like the “Reagasm” of 2004. And there will in particular be many assertions that Thatcher turned around a moribund British economy. So, is this right?”

I forgot that Reagan died only in 2004–in my memory, I mixed it up with Nixon’s death in 1994! I love the term “Reagasm,” which is half the reason I linked to the post above.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2013/04/08/are-you-there-god-its-margaret/comment-page-1/#comment-1417563 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 05:02:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20956#comment-1417563 I happened to catch a few minutes of the News Hour, and heard James Baker say twice in 2 minutes that she had turned the tide of history. My mother’s comment: “Well, he was obviously pleased with it the first time, so decided to use it again!”

I think it’s only Americans who have trouble balancing the bad and the good when people die…The Brits, as you have noted, have no difficulty in being critical. The Guardian, for instance, makes it clear that she was important, but has plenty of suggestions that her impact was not — to everyone — positive.

The irony is that while Thatcher did not see herself as tied to other women on most issues, she was — as you point out — the target of plenty of garden variety misogyny. It turns out that being rich and powerful does not insulate you from that.

I spent 1979-80 in the UK doing dissertation research, and it’s almost quaint to think about the things that shocked us then. The post-war social democratic consensus was challenged for the first time, but in small ways, and mostly focused on the poorest of the poor. She valued the good of the individual over social or common good (famously, she is once reported to have said, “There is no such thing as society”). It’s taken for granted in contemporary politics — as is the austerity she preached in the treatment of those who lacked wealth — but it was very radical then.

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