Comments on: Suck on this! http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Why Tom Friedman is Wrong | matthew pratt guterl http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1906773 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:52:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1906773 […] won’t dwell, as Historiann has, on the irony of putting the large, 14,000 student lecture at the heart of this educational […]

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By: CPP = William Howard Taft? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1380094 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:38:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1380094 [...] PhysioProffe‘s post last week on Thomas Friedman’s puffery of MOOCs calls out MOOCs as a “class warfare scam,” and makes an interesting comparison of [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1376660 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 14:19:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1376660 Now you’ve got it, Z! Repeat until Coursera makes money for someone.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1376062 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 07:37:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1376062 Lectures are bad if given by a live person in your presence, but good if given on tv to a mass audience.

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By: undine http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1375045 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 17:12:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1375045 Thanks for the link, Historiann, and also for posting links to Lance’s and metropolitan history’s great post.

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By: Is the ‘stache back? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1374934 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:50:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1374934 [...] the interest in Thomas Friedmans’ “The Mustache of Understanding” mooky MOOC-fest earlier this week.  But I’ve also been seeing them riding some young men’s lips around my [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1374885 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:57:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1374885 Lance, you’re too modest. Here’s the link to Lance’s post on “Why Tom Friedman is Wrong.”

You make the point here and in your post that leadership from university presidents and chancellors matters. If some of them would stand up for academic and democratic values, that would help counter the breathless utopian promises of the Friedmans and the Courseras and the Udacities, that as undine also suggests are never countered.

Here’s undine’s post–a post that points out how little esteem actual “real life” employers have for online degrees. This is what’s hilarious to me: the people promising that traditional higher ed is the “next bubble,” when all signs point to online ed as the only true bubble (breathless unrealistic hopes that it alone has found the key to a major problem, ridiculously optimistic projections for the money to be made, AND NOW TOM FRIEDMAN!!! Why not call for a victory ceremony aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and declare victory now?)

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By: Lance http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1374553 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:47:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1374553 You know, my worry is that this is exactly the sort of op-ed that circulates among Trustees, and that makes trouble on campuses. Until university presidents are willing to say, collectively, that Friedman and his ilk don’t know what they are talking about, we’ll keep having this problem.

Moi? I promise that if I ever get a gig at the Times, I will sit in my NYC apartment, order in, stream everything, and write popular essays on how to reform the military top to bottom, a topic about which I know bubkis. My first proposal? The new Boeing Sikorsky helicopter. See what google taught me?

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By: undine http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1374083 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 04:50:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1374083 All of these points that we’re saying in the comments and on our blogs–that MOOCs will create a greater educational divide between the elite university students and MOOC proles, that the results are unproven and not even being tested, that this will replace quality education–are ones we keep making. I keep wondering why none of this gets addressed, except in the most craven “Well, some spoilsport critics say that maybe MOOCs aren’t great, but we know better!” way, in places like the NY Times.

On the other hand, if all it takes to practice Friedman bloviation–er, journalism–is this kind of writing, then maybe we can all have jobs at the NY Times in between our stints as glorified tutors for the MOOC superstars.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/03/06/suck-on-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1373689 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:03:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20789#comment-1373689 Hi joellecid–nice to hear from you again. And congratulations to YOU for working a wonder with your low-tech human presence and analytical and rhetorical skills.

Anyone still following this thread should check out the link above to the post at metropolitan history. That blogger also has a terrific story about the value of human contact and intellectual growth in f2f teaching, and why the Thomas Friedmans of the world still send their children to Yale and Williams, where those interactions will still take place no matter what the cost.

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