Comments on: Mid-week roundup: it’s never to soon to start the Great Forgetting! http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1362337 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:29:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1362337 A good a place as any to start reading commentary on the Emory University compromise treatise brouhaha:

“The hope of mobility and the belief in education as the vehicle for providing it is the pie we should be debating. Ideological debates that dance about the edges of the real issue punt not unlike the three-fifths compromise did on reconciling the U.S. with her great stain. So while Wagner’s rhetorical appeal to slavery as a shining example of ideological compromise is ill-advised, logically fallible, and culturally clueless it is useful for understanding how elites view themselves and the rest of us. Enslaved bodies are not at stake and symbolic matter cannot and should not be equated to horrors of slavery. But there is a real debate going on, materially and ideologically, and those with the authority to have the debate are choosing not to engage it because doing so means questioning their role in perpetuating the inequalities of a system from which they benefit.”

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By: Evan http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1361656 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:33:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1361656 Julia Downes has recently published this book on girls in music since the 1960s, which I believe has a significant section on the punk-grunge-riot grrl ‘scenes’:

http://www.supernovabooks.co.uk/womenmakenoise.html

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1361369 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:54:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1361369 And on the value of Human connection in education, this from david Brooks on online education in today’s conversation between David Brooks and Gail Collins in the NY Times:

“The whole thing may be undone by the reality that people learn best from people they care about. Without face-to-face emotional connection, nothing sinks in beyond the next test. Often the students who do best are the ones who make the most appointments to visit their professors during office hours.”

And Collins:
“You know, I have a lot of books on my iPad, but when I try to read them, I find myself wandering off to play games. Those are books I’m interested in. I can’t imagine what would have happened to me in college if my biology class had been on the same computer as “Words With Friends” and “Doom.””

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By: mandor http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360822 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:44:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360822 Along the lines of not forgetting, Alice Bag has a collection of interviews with women involved in the 70′s era Los Angeles punk scene.

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By: Profane http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360802 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:20:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360802

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By: Matt_L http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360684 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:54:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360684 Re: the great (grunge) forgetting – Good for Harley and Rudinoff. Its better that they take charge and do the collecting themselves rather than waiting for the boys at the Experience Music Project to come around to the idea (in thirty years). It is horrifying to think that women have been erased from the Seattle music scene of the 1990s so quickly, especially since they were so present on stage and involved in everything off stage.

I appreciate the connection you and quixote made between the demand for physical presence at workplaces Google and now Yahoo and excellence. Its interesting how this magic of personal physical interaction is completely forgotten in the discussions of on-line education. I’d say for the most part, you are damn right, the children of tech companies and venture capitalists will not be attending University of Phoenix, but thats a given, they don’t go to San Jose State either. But do the tech companies hire directly from those places? Probably not.

But I do know of more than one college drop out from my undergrad alma mater (UCSC) who landed an entry level job in the tech industry based on their skills. Later on they picked up a BA through night school or on-line institutions like Western Governors. So non-traditional colleges like on-line and extension serve a purpose. There is a place for on-line, but it will never be the magic cost saving pony that everyone thinks it is.

(And as a complete aside, regardless of the kind of workplace google and yahoo claim to be, I am skeptical about the effectiveness of cutting back on flex-time or work from home options. It really is kind of BS to say its going to create a better atmosphere. For example, the only time my wife can get any work done is the two days a week she works from home. Otherwise her boss just sits in the cube next to her and talks her ear off about everything and anything. If its not that, then its the one to two-hour long meetings three times a week that destroys her productivity. If you aren’t going to give people flex time, give them an office with a door they can shut and don’t have so many damn meetings, professionals tend to get more work done if you fuck with them less.)

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360526 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:41:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360526 cgeye–I was going to blog about the Feminism & Co. event, but I don’t think they’ve finalized the guest list. (That’s why it’s only me and one other person named in the Westword notice.) I’ll get the full details up on this blog as soon as I get them myself! But yes, I’ll be live at the MCA in Denver on March 28, 4 weeks from tomorrow.

And, congratulations to Dan! Great job! Now, get back to work. Some of us may want to use your primary source collection for our history of sexuality courses. I’m just sayin’.

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By: Dan Royles http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360470 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360470 Thank you, Historiann! As of this morning, we are fully funded, thanks in no small part to a deluge of pledges from the Tenured Radical post. Hopefully more of us can use crowdfunding and DH tools like Omeka to push back against the Forgettings in popular and academic history.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360388 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:06:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360388 The funny thing is (not funny at all, of course), in the actual ecology of the music scene there, important women actors could hardly have *not* been involved. But in the re-telling of it, it’s perfectly possible to leave them out of the memory part with relatively little penalty. There is a real value for this kind of retributive oral history, done by participants more than by scholars, and focusing on the raw restored evidence more than on the effort to construct the interpretive grand narrative. Not that there’s anything wrong with the (idea of) an interpretive grand narrative, but I think you get more attention from the culture at large with simply demonstrating the unmediated and undeniable fact that the official history is just plain wrong on the facts. The entire “1960s” needs to be rewritten on this basis, and I think that while it’s a very good thing that younger academics are beginning to be able to see that era as having been consigned to history in ways that some of us probably just can’t, more participant-rememberer work is also needed. With the evidence fresh from the attic, before it can reach (or not reach) the archives.

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/27/mid-week-roundup-its-never-to-soon-to-start-the-great-forgetting/comment-page-1/#comment-1360370 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:55:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=20750#comment-1360370 Also, on the parallel Riot Grrl movement:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/09/20/140640502/revolution-girl-style-20-years-later

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