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	<title>Comments on: Oscar d00dly b00bfest best for lying down, avoiding</title>
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		<title>By: The Grumpies Weigh-in on Current Issues &#124; Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Grumpies Weigh-in on Current Issues &#124; Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    #1:  True story    Topic 2: Boobs.    #1:  so who do you agree with re: boobgate, Historiann or Dr. Crazy?    #2:  I haven&#8217;t read dr crazy yet.  I did read historiann and mildly agree [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    #1:  True story    Topic 2: Boobs.    #1:  so who do you agree with re: boobgate, Historiann or Dr. Crazy?    #2:  I haven&#8217;t read dr crazy yet.  I did read historiann and mildly agree [...]</p>
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		<title>By: loumac</title>
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		<dc:creator>loumac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful rant from a &quot;fatigued feminist&quot; over at Jezebel (as well as a good round-up of media reactions):

http://jezebel.com/5987118/sexism-fatigue-when-seth-macfarlane-is-a-complete-ass-and-you-dont-even-notice?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&amp;utm_source=jezebel_facebook&amp;utm_medium=socialflow

Choice citation: &quot; I am tired of trying to have an intellectual discussion about dog-whistle sexism in a culture where prominent politicians are still trying to grasp what rape is ... I am tired of being called a shrieking harridan for pointing out inequalities so tangible and blatant that they are regularly codified into law. I am tired of being told to provide documentation of inequality in the comments sections of a website where a staff of smart women documents inequality as fast as our fingers can move. Like, you might as well write me a note on a banana peel demanding that I prove to you that bananas exist.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful rant from a &#8220;fatigued feminist&#8221; over at Jezebel (as well as a good round-up of media reactions):</p>
<p><a href="http://jezebel.com/5987118/sexism-fatigue-when-seth-macfarlane-is-a-complete-ass-and-you-dont-even-notice?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&#038;utm_source=jezebel_facebook&#038;utm_medium=socialflow" rel="nofollow">http://jezebel.com/5987118/sexism-fatigue-when-seth-macfarlane-is-a-complete-ass-and-you-dont-even-notice?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&#038;utm_source=jezebel_facebook&#038;utm_medium=socialflow</a></p>
<p>Choice citation: &#8221; I am tired of trying to have an intellectual discussion about dog-whistle sexism in a culture where prominent politicians are still trying to grasp what rape is &#8230; I am tired of being called a shrieking harridan for pointing out inequalities so tangible and blatant that they are regularly codified into law. I am tired of being told to provide documentation of inequality in the comments sections of a website where a staff of smart women documents inequality as fast as our fingers can move. Like, you might as well write me a note on a banana peel demanding that I prove to you that bananas exist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Oscars: A plucky lady email conversation &#124; Pluck Be A Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/25/oscar-d00dly-b00bfest-best-for-lying-down-avoiding/comment-page-1/#comment-1361029</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oscars: A plucky lady email conversation &#124; Pluck Be A Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 02:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fact!  here are my other favorite links I&#8217;ve read about the Oscars this week:  on the bad: http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/25/oscar-d00dly-b00bfest-best-for-lying-down-avoiding/#more-20725  most of it quotes this article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fact!  here are my other favorite links I&#8217;ve read about the Oscars this week:  on the bad: <a href="http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/25/oscar-d00dly-b00bfest-best-for-lying-down-avoiding/#more-20725" rel="nofollow">http://www.historiann.com/2013/02/25/oscar-d00dly-b00bfest-best-for-lying-down-avoiding/#more-20725</a>  most of it quotes this article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-congratulatory is the perfect adjective for that show, which I had the misfortune to catch part of--rotten luck, I missed the best bits (Adele, Shirley Bassey, Streisand).  Katy Waldman is pathetic.  Yes, do let&#039;s pick our battles.  Don&#039;t you know there&#039;s a scarcity of bandwidth.  If you selfishly complain about misogyny in Hollywood, a victim in India or Sudan will have to do without.

But credit where credit is due: Which other industry in the U.S. has stayed just as strong and globally competitive as it was 100, 75, or 50 years ago?  The ghastly exercise in self-congratulation earns a fortune in ad revenue every year, no matter who hosts.  And Hollywood product, dubious though it surely is, continues to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-congratulatory is the perfect adjective for that show, which I had the misfortune to catch part of&#8211;rotten luck, I missed the best bits (Adele, Shirley Bassey, Streisand).  Katy Waldman is pathetic.  Yes, do let&#8217;s pick our battles.  Don&#8217;t you know there&#8217;s a scarcity of bandwidth.  If you selfishly complain about misogyny in Hollywood, a victim in India or Sudan will have to do without.</p>
<p>But credit where credit is due: Which other industry in the U.S. has stayed just as strong and globally competitive as it was 100, 75, or 50 years ago?  The ghastly exercise in self-congratulation earns a fortune in ad revenue every year, no matter who hosts.  And Hollywood product, dubious though it surely is, continues to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this makes it clear that I made a good choice to keep working on my taxes last night!   I enjoy the red carpet, but the one time I&#039;ve watched seriously was when Ellen DeGeneres hosted... so the stupid boy humor was not on offer.   

Some days it is just amazing that nothing has really changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this makes it clear that I made a good choice to keep working on my taxes last night!   I enjoy the red carpet, but the one time I&#8217;ve watched seriously was when Ellen DeGeneres hosted&#8230; so the stupid boy humor was not on offer.   </p>
<p>Some days it is just amazing that nothing has really changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.M.G., loumac:  please tell me you&#039;re pranking me.

Then again, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/02/25/seth_macfarlane_sexist_no_jokes_depend_on_context_and_he_was_funny.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Katy Waldman at Slate&lt;/a&gt; says that we&#039;re being too touchy and not strategic about picking our battles.  Don&#039;t we get it that in a show that honored several talented women, the jokes were &quot;punching up?,&quot; and not at all unfair putdowns.  Because it&#039;s not like men actually run Hollywood according to any narrow sexist standards, or anything.  The ladies are in charge!  Feminists have no sense of humor.  And that&#039;s the problem with feminists instead of Seth McFarlane and the writers of this cock-up of a show. 

Of all of the commentaries about that show, NONE has found it funny or entertaining.  Most people have called it a total disaster, one that makes David Letterman and even Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White look good.  (Or at least more entertaining!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.M.G., loumac:  please tell me you&#8217;re pranking me.</p>
<p>Then again, <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/02/25/seth_macfarlane_sexist_no_jokes_depend_on_context_and_he_was_funny.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Katy Waldman at Slate</a> says that we&#8217;re being too touchy and not strategic about picking our battles.  Don&#8217;t we get it that in a show that honored several talented women, the jokes were &#8220;punching up?,&#8221; and not at all unfair putdowns.  Because it&#8217;s not like men actually run Hollywood according to any narrow sexist standards, or anything.  The ladies are in charge!  Feminists have no sense of humor.  And that&#8217;s the problem with feminists instead of Seth McFarlane and the writers of this cock-up of a show. </p>
<p>Of all of the commentaries about that show, NONE has found it funny or entertaining.  Most people have called it a total disaster, one that makes David Letterman and even Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White look good.  (Or at least more entertaining!)</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never watch these things, but what&#039;s &quot;undress,&quot; much less &quot;get naked&quot; about showing nothing more than these guys would be fully privileged to do if they had the bellies for it (which they don&#039;t, except when celebrity rags airbrush them into gym-ready shape). This sounds more puerile than my eighth-grade overnight camp. 

That sounds like a good dinner, on the positive side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never watch these things, but what&#8217;s &#8220;undress,&#8221; much less &#8220;get naked&#8221; about showing nothing more than these guys would be fully privileged to do if they had the bellies for it (which they don&#8217;t, except when celebrity rags airbrush them into gym-ready shape). This sounds more puerile than my eighth-grade overnight camp. </p>
<p>That sounds like a good dinner, on the positive side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: loumac</title>
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		<dc:creator>loumac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND - most of the women whose boobs he&#039;s so delighted about were playing *rape victims* in those movies. E.g. Swank in Boys Don&#039;t Cry, Foster in The Accused. Language fails me, Historiann - can you write one of your amazing rants about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND &#8211; most of the women whose boobs he&#8217;s so delighted about were playing *rape victims* in those movies. E.g. Swank in Boys Don&#8217;t Cry, Foster in The Accused. Language fails me, Historiann &#8211; can you write one of your amazing rants about this?</p>
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		<title>By: nicoleandmaggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicoleandmaggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other end of the spectrum, last night I youtubed to a clip of Will Ferrell accepting the Mark Twain award and was really impressed when he noted that out of the 14 times they&#039;ve given the award, he was the 11th white male to receive it (an historic event, he noted).  I thought, &quot;Go Will Ferrell.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other end of the spectrum, last night I youtubed to a clip of Will Ferrell accepting the Mark Twain award and was really impressed when he noted that out of the 14 times they&#8217;ve given the award, he was the 11th white male to receive it (an historic event, he noted).  I thought, &#8220;Go Will Ferrell.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trapped by a blizzard -- or what passes for a blizzard to these California-boy eyes -- as I was in a hotel room somewhat near Potterville, I tried to watch a few minutes of it.  After the BIG NUMBER, which turned out to be nothing more than an excuse to revel in staring at women&#039;s breasts (with a quick detour for some casual homophobia), I found myself really sad.  So I bundled up and talk a walk in the storm.  Even a sprawling metropolis like the one near Potterville gets very quiet when blanketed with fresh snow.  The landscape didn&#039;t quite swallow the echoes of gleeful misogyny, but it was still lovely and, as you say, peaceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trapped by a blizzard &#8212; or what passes for a blizzard to these California-boy eyes &#8212; as I was in a hotel room somewhat near Potterville, I tried to watch a few minutes of it.  After the BIG NUMBER, which turned out to be nothing more than an excuse to revel in staring at women&#8217;s breasts (with a quick detour for some casual homophobia), I found myself really sad.  So I bundled up and talk a walk in the storm.  Even a sprawling metropolis like the one near Potterville gets very quiet when blanketed with fresh snow.  The landscape didn&#8217;t quite swallow the echoes of gleeful misogyny, but it was still lovely and, as you say, peaceful.</p>
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