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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Clinton still too old, sick, and worst of all, unattractive</title>
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		<title>By: Ponderings on perfection &#171; Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ponderings on perfection &#171; Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The woman who does everything so much better than you do. Also Historiann&#8217;s recent series on Hillary Clinton.  (Another awesome [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The woman who does everything so much better than you do. Also Historiann&#8217;s recent series on Hillary Clinton.  (Another awesome [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lexia</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2013/01/13/hillary-clinton-still-too-old-sick-and-worst-of-all-unattractive/comment-page-1/#comment-1280506</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, cgeye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, cgeye.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2013/01/13/hillary-clinton-still-too-old-sick-and-worst-of-all-unattractive/comment-page-1/#comment-1277660</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I have clear nail polish, had a manicure this very day, it only takes half an hour. Your fingers show as you put objects on document cameras to project across lecture halls and you can&#039;t have raggedy nails for that. It is a requirement for my sister in law&#039;s job and she is an MD. Men have it done as well. Straight ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I have clear nail polish, had a manicure this very day, it only takes half an hour. Your fingers show as you put objects on document cameras to project across lecture halls and you can&#8217;t have raggedy nails for that. It is a requirement for my sister in law&#8217;s job and she is an MD. Men have it done as well. Straight ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has to be for a lot of women pols, Z.  Thanks for that photo montage--I&#039;m certainly no judge though, either of whether it was done or whether it was the right thing to do.  Like you said:  it&#039;s a business plan.

Funny thing:  I don&#039;t just &quot;sit around with clear nail polish.&quot;  I don&#039;t have any polish at all! Who has time for manicures or even home maintenance, anyway?  I use my hands pretty much every day, all day long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has to be for a lot of women pols, Z.  Thanks for that photo montage&#8211;I&#8217;m certainly no judge though, either of whether it was done or whether it was the right thing to do.  Like you said:  it&#8217;s a business plan.</p>
<p>Funny thing:  I don&#8217;t just &#8220;sit around with clear nail polish.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t have any polish at all! Who has time for manicures or even home maintenance, anyway?  I use my hands pretty much every day, all day long.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the nail article, I love this:  “The power of an image is enormous,” Ms. Lion said. “We can’t just sit around with clear nail polish on our hands.” 

Plastic surgery, yes, until attitudes change it is to be done in late 50s, when the change will not be as noticeable. Christina Kirscher turns 60 this year and here are a variety of images, with and without makeup. 

https://www.google.com/search?hl=es-419&amp;client=ubuntu&amp;hs=EII&amp;tbo=d&amp;channel=fs&amp;biw=1855&amp;bih=939&amp;tbm=isch&amp;q=cristina+kirchner+sin+maquillaje&amp;revid=674024006&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=4770UNu5L5KTqwHk1YCIAQ&amp;ved=0CFsQgxY

Guaranteed she has done Something. I am not saying it should be so.
But it is a business plan, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the nail article, I love this:  “The power of an image is enormous,” Ms. Lion said. “We can’t just sit around with clear nail polish on our hands.” </p>
<p>Plastic surgery, yes, until attitudes change it is to be done in late 50s, when the change will not be as noticeable. Christina Kirscher turns 60 this year and here are a variety of images, with and without makeup. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=es-419&#038;client=ubuntu&#038;hs=EII&#038;tbo=d&#038;channel=fs&#038;biw=1855&#038;bih=939&#038;tbm=isch&#038;q=cristina+kirchner+sin+maquillaje&#038;revid=674024006&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=4770UNu5L5KTqwHk1YCIAQ&#038;ved=0CFsQgxY" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?hl=es-419&#038;client=ubuntu&#038;hs=EII&#038;tbo=d&#038;channel=fs&#038;biw=1855&#038;bih=939&#038;tbm=isch&#038;q=cristina+kirchner+sin+maquillaje&#038;revid=674024006&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=4770UNu5L5KTqwHk1YCIAQ&#038;ved=0CFsQgxY</a></p>
<p>Guaranteed she has done Something. I am not saying it should be so.<br />
But it is a business plan, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2013/01/13/hillary-clinton-still-too-old-sick-and-worst-of-all-unattractive/comment-page-1/#comment-1275818</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope that hat could work in one of your fab pasta or Mexican food recipes, CPP. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope that hat could work in one of your fab pasta or Mexican food recipes, CPP. . .</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22Ms.+Obama%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AHEM: &lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/fashion/blue-state-or-red-look-at-the-nails.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Light blue &lt;/a&gt;was already the summer’s color of choice for many women in the under-40 range (one blogger described it as “equal parts Katy Perry and high school goth”), but Ms. Obama is 48, and many of her new nail followers are around the same age. The San Francisco-based writer Ayelet Waldman, 47, who is married to the novelist Michael Chabon, said: “I just ordered the color online, so it’s not yet on my nails. But I’ll be rocking it, as will at least a few of my kids. And we’re going to make their father wear it.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22Ms.+Obama%22" rel="nofollow">AHEM: </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/fashion/blue-state-or-red-look-at-the-nails.html" rel="nofollow">Light blue </a>was already the summer’s color of choice for many women in the under-40 range (one blogger described it as “equal parts Katy Perry and high school goth”), but Ms. Obama is 48, and many of her new nail followers are around the same age. The San Francisco-based writer Ayelet Waldman, 47, who is married to the novelist Michael Chabon, said: “I just ordered the color online, so it’s not yet on my nails. But I’ll be rocking it, as will at least a few of my kids. And we’re going to make their father wear it.”</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuck!</p>
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		<title>By: Comradde PhysioProffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comradde PhysioProffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What I am sure of was noticing their reference to Mrs. Obama as “Ms.” and their referring to Hillary Clinton as “Mrs.”&lt;/i&gt;

This is completely false. The NY Times always refers to Michelle Obama as &quot;Mrs. Obama&quot;, and never as &quot;Ms. Obama&quot;. If you can find a reference to her as Ms. Obama anywhere in the NY Times on-line archive, I&#039;ll eat my filthiest oldest Yankees cappe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What I am sure of was noticing their reference to Mrs. Obama as “Ms.” and their referring to Hillary Clinton as “Mrs.”</i></p>
<p>This is completely false. The NY Times always refers to Michelle Obama as &#8220;Mrs. Obama&#8221;, and never as &#8220;Ms. Obama&#8221;. If you can find a reference to her as Ms. Obama anywhere in the NY Times on-line archive, I&#8217;ll eat my filthiest oldest Yankees cappe.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann@1:35pm:

It&#039;s something I noticed in the way the Times referred to the two women.  

I seem to remember that when the Times reluctantly agreed to use &quot;Ms.&quot; years ago, a statement was issued to the effect that the marriage-neutral social title would be used unless the subject had requested otherwise.  However, they may have altered that since then.  Or I may not remember something from so long ago accurately (it -was- from a time women&#039;s equality was so taken for granted it seems like another country).

What I am sure of was noticing their reference to Mrs. Obama as &quot;Ms.&quot; and their referring to Hillary Clinton as &quot;Mrs.&quot;  

As to why they would do it, I just assumed it was the kind of sexism that&#039;s overtaken most print journalism:  Michelle Obama has shown that she knows her place as &quot;First Lady&quot;, so is given the more egalitarian title as ironic reward, whereas much of the disrespect evident in the Chicago Tribune article and the NYT coverage of Hillary Clinton seems to be because she has always rejected the passive behavior expected of a politician&#039;s wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann@1:35pm:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something I noticed in the way the Times referred to the two women.  </p>
<p>I seem to remember that when the Times reluctantly agreed to use &#8220;Ms.&#8221; years ago, a statement was issued to the effect that the marriage-neutral social title would be used unless the subject had requested otherwise.  However, they may have altered that since then.  Or I may not remember something from so long ago accurately (it -was- from a time women&#8217;s equality was so taken for granted it seems like another country).</p>
<p>What I am sure of was noticing their reference to Mrs. Obama as &#8220;Ms.&#8221; and their referring to Hillary Clinton as &#8220;Mrs.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As to why they would do it, I just assumed it was the kind of sexism that&#8217;s overtaken most print journalism:  Michelle Obama has shown that she knows her place as &#8220;First Lady&#8221;, so is given the more egalitarian title as ironic reward, whereas much of the disrespect evident in the Chicago Tribune article and the NYT coverage of Hillary Clinton seems to be because she has always rejected the passive behavior expected of a politician&#8217;s wife.</p>
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