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	<title>Comments on: But I thought guns made us all safer:  fear and intimidation in Westchester County</title>
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		<title>By: canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to anti gun rhetoric is to talk about guns instead of people, and if they talk about people to be sure they simply say &quot;people&quot;

at NO time will they differentiate spree killers, maniacs, and criminals from a hundred million or so GOOD American citizens  who have firearms to SAFE LIFE.

Scapegoating and stereotyping (ie hate) are key to their &quot;logic&quot;

the ignorant fall for this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to anti gun rhetoric is to talk about guns instead of people, and if they talk about people to be sure they simply say &#8220;people&#8221;</p>
<p>at NO time will they differentiate spree killers, maniacs, and criminals from a hundred million or so GOOD American citizens  who have firearms to SAFE LIFE.</p>
<p>Scapegoating and stereotyping (ie hate) are key to their &#8220;logic&#8221;</p>
<p>the ignorant fall for this</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  More guns makes us all safer and equals less crime, unless it makes gun owners &quot;feel scared,&quot; then more guns make them more vulnerable, so they buy more guns and get more scared, rinse, repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  More guns makes us all safer and equals less crime, unless it makes gun owners &#8220;feel scared,&#8221; then more guns make them more vulnerable, so they buy more guns and get more scared, rinse, repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that gets me about this whole thing (although I&#039;m with Historiann on the not-so-sure-about-publishing side), is that at this very moment there are NRA nutters arguing that the reason school shootings happen is that shooters know nobody in the school has a gun! By that logic, how is publishing the list of places that there are likely to be guns not an *improvement* to those people&#039;s safety? Not that that logic is even vaguely saleable, but still. The inconsistency! I just can&#039;t get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that gets me about this whole thing (although I&#8217;m with Historiann on the not-so-sure-about-publishing side), is that at this very moment there are NRA nutters arguing that the reason school shootings happen is that shooters know nobody in the school has a gun! By that logic, how is publishing the list of places that there are likely to be guns not an *improvement* to those people&#8217;s safety? Not that that logic is even vaguely saleable, but still. The inconsistency! I just can&#8217;t get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage licenses, at least in some states, are no longer accessible by the public. State websites have been taken down, and data that once was public must now be paid for.

*That&#039;s* the rentiers&#039; opportunity that will come on the heels of this outcry -- only people who can afford access, will get it, even though the public aspect of &#039;public records&#039; is centuries-established law.

If there already isn&#039;t ALEC-extruded and -proposed legislation for each state to implement gag orders and privatization for all gun sale and licensing records, I&#039;ll eat my tinfoil hat....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage licenses, at least in some states, are no longer accessible by the public. State websites have been taken down, and data that once was public must now be paid for.</p>
<p>*That&#8217;s* the rentiers&#8217; opportunity that will come on the heels of this outcry &#8212; only people who can afford access, will get it, even though the public aspect of &#8216;public records&#8217; is centuries-established law.</p>
<p>If there already isn&#8217;t ALEC-extruded and -proposed legislation for each state to implement gag orders and privatization for all gun sale and licensing records, I&#8217;ll eat my tinfoil hat&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To turn it around, why shouldn&#039;t the public know? Property records are public. Marriage licenses are public. Court records are public, including bankruptcy filings, in which filers have to list &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; their property, not just their guns. Dog licenses are public, even. I can think of half a dozen good reasons why someone might want to look up why another person is licensed to carry a gun. Once something is a public record, the info is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To turn it around, why shouldn&#8217;t the public know? Property records are public. Marriage licenses are public. Court records are public, including bankruptcy filings, in which filers have to list <i>all</i> their property, not just their guns. Dog licenses are public, even. I can think of half a dozen good reasons why someone might want to look up why another person is licensed to carry a gun. Once something is a public record, the info is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: MARTIN TENENBAUM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MARTIN TENENBAUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word &quot;fear&quot; probably should not have been used. &quot;Concern&quot; would have been better. My concern about this privacy issue is the same as telling people you have certain valuables in your home that really should not be made public. Handgun licensing requires a background check and a judges consent before it is issued. Why the rest of the public needs to know you have a permit when in fact you have passed some very rigorous investigative process does not seem rational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;fear&#8221; probably should not have been used. &#8220;Concern&#8221; would have been better. My concern about this privacy issue is the same as telling people you have certain valuables in your home that really should not be made public. Handgun licensing requires a background check and a judges consent before it is issued. Why the rest of the public needs to know you have a permit when in fact you have passed some very rigorous investigative process does not seem rational.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then all that fuss about Erik Loomis tweeting htat he wanted LaPierre&#039;s head on a stick -- I mean, Christ on a Cracker, as if people were killing other people with pointed sticks.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then all that fuss about Erik Loomis tweeting htat he wanted LaPierre&#8217;s head on a stick &#8212; I mean, Christ on a Cracker, as if people were killing other people with pointed sticks&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: JonBooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonBooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://gawker.com/5974190/here-is-a-list-of-all-the-assholes-who-own-guns-in-new-york-city

and 

http://gawker.com/5974290/look-both-ways-because-youre-going-to-get-shot-and-other-death-threats-gawker-office-received-after-republishing-an-old-list-of-registered-gun-owners-in-nyc

for more threats. 

I do think there is a reasonable fear of gun theft though, like if people are planning to steal guns, you don&#039;t wanna give them a list of where the guns are at. However, of course, responsible gun owners should have their guns in the safe or whatever, so it seems a bit moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gawker.com/5974190/here-is-a-list-of-all-the-assholes-who-own-guns-in-new-york-city" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5974190/here-is-a-list-of-all-the-assholes-who-own-guns-in-new-york-city</a></p>
<p>and </p>
<p><a href="http://gawker.com/5974290/look-both-ways-because-youre-going-to-get-shot-and-other-death-threats-gawker-office-received-after-republishing-an-old-list-of-registered-gun-owners-in-nyc" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5974290/look-both-ways-because-youre-going-to-get-shot-and-other-death-threats-gawker-office-received-after-republishing-an-old-list-of-registered-gun-owners-in-nyc</a></p>
<p>for more threats. </p>
<p>I do think there is a reasonable fear of gun theft though, like if people are planning to steal guns, you don&#8217;t wanna give them a list of where the guns are at. However, of course, responsible gun owners should have their guns in the safe or whatever, so it seems a bit moot.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>non-violent &lt;i&gt;protest&lt;/i&gt;, sheesh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>non-violent <i>protest</i>, sheesh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of &lt;i&gt;y&#039;know, the Feds have borderline war-crime bioweapons, ANFO/MOAB bombs &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; nukes&lt;/i&gt; do gunnies (&lt;b&gt;so&lt;/b&gt; tempted to go say &lt;i&gt;Gunne Sax folk&lt;/i&gt;) not understand? 

Always outmatched, always outgunned -- which is why non-violent worked, because it still assumed that the only way protesters could get FE/soldiers to stop shooting is to create some kind of kinship risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of <i>y&#8217;know, the Feds have borderline war-crime bioweapons, ANFO/MOAB bombs <b>and</b> nukes</i> do gunnies (<b>so</b> tempted to go say <i>Gunne Sax folk</i>) not understand? </p>
<p>Always outmatched, always outgunned &#8212; which is why non-violent worked, because it still assumed that the only way protesters could get FE/soldiers to stop shooting is to create some kind of kinship risk.</p>
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