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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/12/18/ill-say-this-for-mass-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-1223222</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann, I can&#039;t make this stuff up. :) It&#039;s the culture, not cultural studies.  

Thanks to cgeye for the update on the fashion-conscious shooter. But as long as he&#039;s not shooting at people, the behavior of shooting into the air or at inanimate targets in the distance is in keeping with places where guns are an accepted part of everyday life. I&#039;ve been in places where people shoot guns at midnight on New Year&#039;s Eve, and in some cultures people shoot guns at weddings. This &quot;celebratory gunfire&quot; takes place in other countries but also in the US. I saw a &quot;white wedding&quot; on the local news in the Midwest some years ago. Members of the KKK were getting married and they shot a gun in the air to celebrate. 

The latest figures are that there are between 250-300 million guns in the US and, as your blog post shows, people love their guns. We have half the Congress (I&#039;m guessing) as card-carrying members of the  NRA, which is being described as the most successful &quot;grass-roots organization&quot; in the country. So yes, it&#039;s all the fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann, I can&#8217;t make this stuff up. <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s the culture, not cultural studies.  </p>
<p>Thanks to cgeye for the update on the fashion-conscious shooter. But as long as he&#8217;s not shooting at people, the behavior of shooting into the air or at inanimate targets in the distance is in keeping with places where guns are an accepted part of everyday life. I&#8217;ve been in places where people shoot guns at midnight on New Year&#8217;s Eve, and in some cultures people shoot guns at weddings. This &#8220;celebratory gunfire&#8221; takes place in other countries but also in the US. I saw a &#8220;white wedding&#8221; on the local news in the Midwest some years ago. Members of the KKK were getting married and they shot a gun in the air to celebrate. </p>
<p>The latest figures are that there are between 250-300 million guns in the US and, as your blog post shows, people love their guns. We have half the Congress (I&#8217;m guessing) as card-carrying members of the  NRA, which is being described as the most successful &#8220;grass-roots organization&#8221; in the country. So yes, it&#8217;s all the fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/12/18/ill-say-this-for-mass-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-1222601</link>
		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, Robert Bork &lt;a&gt;is dead.&lt;/a&gt;

He didn&#039;t get on the Supreme Court, and through deviousness, opacity and other right-wing shenanigans, we&#039;ve been paying for it ever since.

One must only speak good of the dead.
So, he&#039;s dead. Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, Robert Bork <a>is dead.</a></p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t get on the Supreme Court, and through deviousness, opacity and other right-wing shenanigans, we&#8217;ve been paying for it ever since.</p>
<p>One must only speak good of the dead.<br />
So, he&#8217;s dead. Good.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider Ohio as another place to be alienated from, Historiann.  While his counterpart up in Michigan at least had the consideration to veto the full metal jacket bill that ironically hit his desk the night before the attack in Connecticut, pending some probably cosmetic rewording, down in buckeyeland Gov. Kasich signed or will sign a bill allowing people to bring their guns and to park in the garage at the state capitol, so they don&#039;t have to choose between applying for renewals of  their &#039;packing permits and remaining self-protected while they go to do so.  Adam Liptak has an interesting piece in today&#039;s NYT about the degrees to which the infamous SC decision upholding the second amendment &quot;rights&quot; of Americans won&#039;t and to a lesser degree will interfere with various proposals that have been floated since last Friday to tighten up the regulatory world of gunwielding.  My own somewhat more robust plan would surround every &quot;owning&quot; household with a federal tank, and a coupon for a mandatory free ride to another planet.  But that would likely run afoul of a wide range of obstacles, both within and without the Scalia script.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider Ohio as another place to be alienated from, Historiann.  While his counterpart up in Michigan at least had the consideration to veto the full metal jacket bill that ironically hit his desk the night before the attack in Connecticut, pending some probably cosmetic rewording, down in buckeyeland Gov. Kasich signed or will sign a bill allowing people to bring their guns and to park in the garage at the state capitol, so they don&#8217;t have to choose between applying for renewals of  their &#8216;packing permits and remaining self-protected while they go to do so.  Adam Liptak has an interesting piece in today&#8217;s NYT about the degrees to which the infamous SC decision upholding the second amendment &#8220;rights&#8221; of Americans won&#8217;t and to a lesser degree will interfere with various proposals that have been floated since last Friday to tighten up the regulatory world of gunwielding.  My own somewhat more robust plan would surround every &#8220;owning&#8221; household with a federal tank, and a coupon for a mandatory free ride to another planet.  But that would likely run afoul of a wide range of obstacles, both within and without the Scalia script.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he was very much in fashion at the Fashion Island, then, wasn&#039;t he?  (I had no idea that was actually the name of the mall--I thought it was Rad&#039;s clever, cultural studies take on American consumerism!)

What a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he was very much in fashion at the Fashion Island, then, wasn&#8217;t he?  (I had no idea that was actually the name of the mall&#8211;I thought it was Rad&#8217;s clever, cultural studies take on American consumerism!)</p>
<p>What a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an early article about the Fashion Island shooting, and some law enforcement bro&#039; said it was about a ex-security guard &quot;letting off steam&quot;.

An ex-security guard. Living in his car. Maintaining an automatic weapon instead of selling it for rent. Hmmm....

The explanation&#039;s a bit more formal &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22204478/police-man-cooperative-after-firing-shots-at-mall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but I remember that casualness of phrase, as if that&#039;s what most officers dream of doing after drinkin&#039; a couple o&#039; brewskis.

This is the kicker: He&#039;s a serial shooter, and no one gave a fuck &lt;a href=&quot;http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/12/18/man-accused-of-firing-shots-at-fashion-island-mall-linked-to-similar-incidents/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;until now.&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;The unemployed security guard was also charged with 10 felony counts of negligent discharge of a firearm for a similar shooting at Fashion Island last November.

“Very similar location, Fashion Island mall, pulls up in his car, discharges a handgun 10 times out the window in the direction of the mall, but kind of in the air. No one was hit. Several people reported it to police,” said OC Senior Deputy District Attorney, Robert Mestman.

In addition, Gurrola allegedly admitted to shootings in at least 11 other locations in Orange County, including near Disneyland, in the past nine months.

In a court declaration, he said he would fire the handgun when he was angry and was careful not to shoot anyone.&quot;

Now, when gang-bangers shoot in the air during holidays or Super Bowl wins, they&#039;re a menace to society and should be put down -- but when an ex-security officer does it, he&#039;s *understood*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an early article about the Fashion Island shooting, and some law enforcement bro&#8217; said it was about a ex-security guard &#8220;letting off steam&#8221;.</p>
<p>An ex-security guard. Living in his car. Maintaining an automatic weapon instead of selling it for rent. Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>The explanation&#8217;s a bit more formal <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22204478/police-man-cooperative-after-firing-shots-at-mall" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but I remember that casualness of phrase, as if that&#8217;s what most officers dream of doing after drinkin&#8217; a couple o&#8217; brewskis.</p>
<p>This is the kicker: He&#8217;s a serial shooter, and no one gave a fuck <a href="http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/12/18/man-accused-of-firing-shots-at-fashion-island-mall-linked-to-similar-incidents/" rel="nofollow">until now.</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The unemployed security guard was also charged with 10 felony counts of negligent discharge of a firearm for a similar shooting at Fashion Island last November.</p>
<p>“Very similar location, Fashion Island mall, pulls up in his car, discharges a handgun 10 times out the window in the direction of the mall, but kind of in the air. No one was hit. Several people reported it to police,” said OC Senior Deputy District Attorney, Robert Mestman.</p>
<p>In addition, Gurrola allegedly admitted to shootings in at least 11 other locations in Orange County, including near Disneyland, in the past nine months.</p>
<p>In a court declaration, he said he would fire the handgun when he was angry and was careful not to shoot anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, when gang-bangers shoot in the air during holidays or Super Bowl wins, they&#8217;re a menace to society and should be put down &#8212; but when an ex-security officer does it, he&#8217;s *understood*.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend a lot of time feeling very alienated from my fellow Coloradoans:  the SUVs and the pickup trucks used only for grocery store expeditions; the incredibly clueless white people; the guns.  But I don&#039;t think I would feel that much more at home in most other parts of the U.S.  I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that I am alienated in general from mainstream, middle-class American culture.  I love Rad Readr&#039;s analysis:  the mall as temple.

So &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22216076/gov-hickenlooper-pitches-swift-holds-gun-sales-mentally&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s some good news&lt;/a&gt;, or at least evidence that even gun-crazy Colorado might be ready to have a serious conversation about guns, our mental health system, and controlling gun access for the mentally ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend a lot of time feeling very alienated from my fellow Coloradoans:  the SUVs and the pickup trucks used only for grocery store expeditions; the incredibly clueless white people; the guns.  But I don&#8217;t think I would feel that much more at home in most other parts of the U.S.  I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that I am alienated in general from mainstream, middle-class American culture.  I love Rad Readr&#8217;s analysis:  the mall as temple.</p>
<p>So <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22216076/gov-hickenlooper-pitches-swift-holds-gun-sales-mentally" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s some good news</a>, or at least evidence that even gun-crazy Colorado might be ready to have a serious conversation about guns, our mental health system, and controlling gun access for the mentally ill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Koshary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Koshary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jackyt said. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jackyt said. <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jackyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the definition of insanity is &quot;doing the same thing and expecting a different result&quot;, then crowds of people buying guns in the wake of a mass shooting indicates a mental health problem of massive proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the definition of insanity is &#8220;doing the same thing and expecting a different result&#8221;, then crowds of people buying guns in the wake of a mass shooting indicates a mental health problem of massive proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear and capitalism. &quot;Bowling for Columbine&quot; had a good thread on this particular neurosis. Hey, some go shopping for clothes when they feel anxious, and others go for guns. 

A shooter turned up in the parking lot of our nearby high-end mall, Fashion Island, last Saturday. He shot fifty rounds in the parking lot in front of Macy&#039;s. My son was working at a movie theater across the street and had to hustle into the theater people waiting in line to buy tickets. They went into &quot;lockdown,&quot; a word which seems to have become part of the lingo these days. Luckily this guy didn&#039;t shoot at any person, instead firing into the air and the ground. The latest news is that he was an out-of-work security guard &quot;letting off steam.&quot; 

The metaphor of fashion island works only because guns have become as acceptable to buy as watches. Not far from the Macy&#039;s there is a Dick&#039;s sporting goods, which sells guns, although I saw on the news that they are suspending the sale of some rifles in the wake of Sandy Hook. There are some things people just can&#039;t walk into a store and buy -- bombs, bazookas, nuclear waste. So part of the problem is that our consumer culture has normalized the sale of items made to kill, including semiautomatic weapons and their cartridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear and capitalism. &#8220;Bowling for Columbine&#8221; had a good thread on this particular neurosis. Hey, some go shopping for clothes when they feel anxious, and others go for guns. </p>
<p>A shooter turned up in the parking lot of our nearby high-end mall, Fashion Island, last Saturday. He shot fifty rounds in the parking lot in front of Macy&#8217;s. My son was working at a movie theater across the street and had to hustle into the theater people waiting in line to buy tickets. They went into &#8220;lockdown,&#8221; a word which seems to have become part of the lingo these days. Luckily this guy didn&#8217;t shoot at any person, instead firing into the air and the ground. The latest news is that he was an out-of-work security guard &#8220;letting off steam.&#8221; </p>
<p>The metaphor of fashion island works only because guns have become as acceptable to buy as watches. Not far from the Macy&#8217;s there is a Dick&#8217;s sporting goods, which sells guns, although I saw on the news that they are suspending the sale of some rifles in the wake of Sandy Hook. There are some things people just can&#8217;t walk into a store and buy &#8212; bombs, bazookas, nuclear waste. So part of the problem is that our consumer culture has normalized the sale of items made to kill, including semiautomatic weapons and their cartridges.</p>
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		<title>By: koshembos</title>
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		<dc:creator>koshembos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every society has its share of crazy and maladapted people. Since the percentage of such people is known. Allowing assault-style rifles constitutes an ad hoc plan to execute kids and teachers. The co-conspirator is congress. Or may be congress is to big to jail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every society has its share of crazy and maladapted people. Since the percentage of such people is known. Allowing assault-style rifles constitutes an ad hoc plan to execute kids and teachers. The co-conspirator is congress. Or may be congress is to big to jail?</p>
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