Comments on: Bill Keller visits sweet, quiet Oxford http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:56:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1143136 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:50:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1143136 Oh yeah, the Beer Riots!! That happened the semester before I got there, but I saw it on the news. They got mad because their civil rights were violated when the bars closed at 2 a.m. I was thinking back on the OH days and decided my best time was living in the Mile square. Great neighbors.

And don’t forget there was that Libertarian strain in Boxford, and I think they looked up to Ayn Rand.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1143075 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:02:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1143075 Ha! Rad Readr, you’re the only person who calls it Boxford (and I enjoy it.) My sense of the faculty and admin was your sense–mainstream academics who really didn’t care about evangelizing for their political viewpoints so much as trying to get the students to learn something about their subjects.

I’m sure there were some of those little Ayn Ryans out there during the beer riots of the late 1990s. Remember the white frat kids who chanted “Rodney King! Rodney King!” when the local constabulary showed up after they tipped over the book-buyback kiosk? Good times, good times. . .

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By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142332 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 07:32:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142332 I remember Miami tuition being about $6K in-state around 2001, when I was still there. And out of state was $15K or so. Then the president decided that it would make the university look more prestigious if the tuition went up and he provided the state subsidy to OH students. So in-state tuition went up to $12K, with a number of OH students getting the subsidy down to $6K. I see the increases have kept up with other universities.

I have mixed feelings about Boxford, but I don’t think Rich Hart is representative of the faculty. The article is a bit skewed. A lot of the faculty is progressive — and we had a lively group of Professors for Peace right in the middle of the initial Afghanistan bombing. I always thought the university, even upper administration, liked to expose the students to liberal perspectives. On the other hand, I could see a Paul Ryan emerging from that campus. But I still can’t place Santorum at Penn State (I guess that’s another post).

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142184 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:44:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142184 WOW–that’s a lotta cabbage.

Back when I applied and was considering going, I think tuition, room, and board cost about $7,000. (This was of course during the Taft administration.)

We know that Ayn Ryan himself was the beneficiary of social security payments because of his father’s untimely death.

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By: Polisciprof http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142182 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:43:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142182 Miami U’s tuition/fees/R&B is is $24,000+ for In-state and close to $40,000 for out of state this year (I looked it up). I wonder how many of Professor Hart’s converts are getting that education with a subsidy from Uncle Sam?

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By: Polisciprof http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142174 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:37:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142174 Miami U’s tuition/fees is $20,000+ this year (I looked it up). That is without room/board. I wonder how many of Professor Hart’s converts are getting that education with a subsidy from Uncle Sam?

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By: Dino http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142072 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:58:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142072 Rich Hart sounds like a prize. Bit of a mystery to me how someone ostensibly paid to think for a living can conclude that giving people health care coverage (or making it more affordable) is part of a strategy to create a cycle of dependency.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142070 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:50:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142070 Hi, History Maven! It’s great to hear from you again. Thanks for the history lesson–I guess I lumped together Cleveland and Toledo politics because I was ignorant of the long history you cite.

What’s your take on Catholics and abortion politics in the near future? I was intrigued that the Miami students cited above were eager for the Republicans to ditch the pro-life stuff as much as the anti-gay marriage plank. Do you think that the abortion issue will cease to be as salient an issue for Catholics in Northern Ohio? Is it possible that abortion will die out as the baby boomers age and the Kulturkampfen of the 1960s and 1970s fade?

(I know that Mr. Catholic, Rick Santorum, was beating not just on abortion but also birth control in the Republican primaries, but most Americans seemed to by mystified by these positions. And I know: he won the Colorado caucus! But that just goes to show you how un-democratic the caucus system really is.)

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By: History Maven http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142047 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:09:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142047 Historiann, you’re right in your observation about the Kaptur/Kucinich pro-life issue in Northern Ohio. My US Rep is Tim (not to be confused with Ayn) Ryan, and he’s pro-life as well. Nevertheless, I’ve been amazed how consistent the region has been in voting for liberal causes. (I was born to and raised by immigrant parents living in the Western Reserve [NE Ohio], raised here, and living here once again. It’s a bit different in Trumbull and Mahoning and Cuyahoga counties than it is in Lorain and Lucas counties beyond the western border of the Reserve.) The Western Reserve was and remains a coherent region within Ohio, distinctive in its politics and voting patterns from the rest of the state. The region’s Connecticut Yankees, their children, and their grandchildren voted consistently for liberal policies that the rest of Ohio did not support—for example, in the state’s constitutional convention of 1850-51. In the same years in which Lucretia Mott addressed the Salem’s Woman’s Convention and Sojourner Truth asked of her Akron audience “Ain’t I a Woman?” as she toured for the American Anti-Slavery Society, seventy-one white men were meeting in Chillicothe to draft a new state constitution. The only votes in favor of equal political rights for African Americans in that convention came from the Western Reserve. The only votes in favor of women’s right to vote came from the Western Reserve. The delegates from the Western Reserve counties also voiced their opposition to a ban on immigrants.

In presidential elections in the Reconstruction era the region was the Midwest’s stronghold of Republicanism, when the Grand Old Party advocated equality. In the twentieth century, the rise of heavy industry and the concomitant increase of immigrant laborers did not seem to alter the region’s historic commitment to personal liberty, self determination, and civil rights–though the KKK did appear in Youngstown in the 1920s when that city housed more immigrants than native-born white Americans but ended up leaving after 4-5 years. The region’s political tendencies remained the same, though the transformation of the nation’s political parties meant that the Western Reserve voted Democratic, even in the overwhelming victory of Ronald Reagan in the presidential election of 1984. (Don’t intend to get rah-rah about the Western Reserve; it’s just that I have been undertaking some research about regional politics and identity and trying to make sense of it all.)

When I was growing up two-thirds of the state’s population lived in Northern Ohio; not true now–witness the growth of Columbus and Cincinnati and the loss of population in the Rust Belt. That shift has something to do, I think, with the sorts of complexity we see on the ground throughout the state.

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By: koshembos http://www.historiann.com/2012/11/05/bill-keller-visits-sweet-quiet-oxford/comment-page-1/#comment-1142017 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:37:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19860#comment-1142017 The more comments I read here, the more I regret using a meaningless name. Dr. In you face might be better.

Our household doesn’t read newspapers. We have lost any respect for the Keller vocational family more than a decade ago. We listen to dear NPR and ask “what are they talking about?” Oxford? University towns have been progressive forever. I prefer Cambridge, especially punting on the Cam.

Tomorrow you’ll find out that the bad guys won again, no matter who wins.

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