Comments on: Today’s example of brainless, fact-free so-called “Founding Fathers” worship http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:29:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: JonBooth http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1127763 Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:52:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1127763 The whole “wilson is the root of modern leftwing evil” thing is pretty popular among the nutty right. Glenn Beck is super into it. Something involving expanding the state and the income tax, really gets them riled up. And then they get to denounce Wilson for being a racist, which is just so ironic.

The American right’s entire schtick is to identify just when things went wrong. So we can get back before that.

Also, it is hilarious when you see people citing Madison and Hamilton along with Jefferson as supporting a decentralized farmer’s paradise. Oh well…

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1125226 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:07:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1125226 I always liked the “stuck pig” trope, or metaphor, or simile, or whatever it is, and it’s even crept into my vocabulary now and again, but I don’t really have any coherent image referent for it, although I follow the Porkopolitan Baseball Club, Inc., and have been in the Hog Butcher to the World many many times. My father grew up on a small dairy and poultry farm and a cousin married a veterinarian, so I’ve seen about everything you could do to or with a cow, and am thoroughly versed in the with the visual meaning of a “chicken with its head off…” I’ve even tried to google the concept of a “pole-axed steer,” which has some degree of political resonance. Given that there is some scholarship on anthropomorphism, is there any literature out there about attributing animal kinetics of the most unfortunate kind to our friends on the other side of the aisle?

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By: Linden http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1125051 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:05:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1125051 Shorter Scalia: It’s okay to make laws targeting certain people today, based on icky feelings people had 250 years ago.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1124970 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:51:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1124970 A-hahahahaha!

I wonder if Scalia is familiar at all with the violent anti-Catholicism in the early American Republic? Funny that he’s comfortable with *some* change over time in terms of political representation, voting rights, and public office holding.

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By: Linden http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1124966 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:47:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1124966 Oh, I definitely agree. By pretending that they are simply taking a principled, intellectual stand, the Feddies can sidestep all those nasty issues of abortion, women’s rights, gay rights, desegregation, the reach of the Commerce Clause, and so on. No one who has ever read Scalia’s dissent in the Romer v. Evans decision could conclude that he’s motivated by anything but his own ideas of morality. I almost threw my textbook across the room after reading it when I was in law school.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1124943 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:16:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1124943 Linden, I get that “living Constitution” is a Federalist society boogeyman. I just think that wielding it like a club is transparent B.S. without any historical or intellectual justification. Conservatives clearly love judicial activism, so long as it’s on their behalf. (Witness the squeals of outrage from the stuck pigs last summer when ACA wasn’t ruled unconstitutional.) Ignoring Article V is always the first dodge they make in order to pretend that the 18th C document was preserved in amber and must be read and interpreted exactly as it was written in 1787. (This is Antonin Scalia’s vision, anyway.)

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1124363 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:28:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1124363 Ah, so now I learn that no amendments or changes to the constitution (or at least none of any significance) were passed in the 19th c. Don’t tell the slaves! What’s interesting about the Germanophile Wilson as the bogeyman is that the 17th amendment was ratified before he became prez. He’ responsible for the 18th, though, if just barely.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1124100 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:24:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1124100 And why the fucke are these assebagges constantly jackeing offe about what the “Founders” intended? If you’re going play the game of fetishizing what some fucken douchebagges in the 18th Century intended, then it’s gotta be the motherfuckers who were in the ratifying conventions and voted on the motherfucker.

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By: Linden http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1123643 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:53:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1123643 “Living Constitution” is Federalist Society-codespeak. Their problem is not with the idea that the Constitution can be amended, but that certain rights (right to privacy, most notably) have been derived from the language of the Constitution without going through the amendment process. I think they have a point on that, but overall I think if the Supreme Court’s jurisprudence hadn’t come up with ways to make the Constitution more flexible over time, we would have had to throw the thing away long ago. Most countries don’t straitjacket their operations with a single rigid document that can never be changed except through an onerous amendment process that’s almost never successful.

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/22/todays-example-of-brainless-fact-free-so-called-founding-fathers-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-1123625 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:15:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19782#comment-1123625 I dream of a time when Kersten-type exercise of First Amendment rights causes a guardian angel to swoop out of the sky with flaming pen, make a Colbert-style split screen effect, and write “BS! (citations below).”

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