Comments on: Binders full of women http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:24:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Joe Scarborough is right : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1267829 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:24:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1267829 [...] Binders full of hypocrisy, anyone? [...]

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By: Shakti http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1121599 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:07:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1121599 Some background: Mika wrote a book on pay equality and actually credits Joe with helping her in her negotiations with the network. She still is paid much less than Joe for cohosting.
Knowing Your Worth

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By: link love « Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1121260 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:44:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1121260 [...] binder comment (and the rest of his comments on women) were harmful.  Here’s isis, hush, and historiann.  They all make great and different points, so read them [...]

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120961 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:01:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120961 Just a reminder that Mika has been dealing with Joe’s fuckebaggiosity for years:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/2008/01/30/mika-brzezinski-kicks-morning-joes-lame-wingnut-ass/

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120894 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:57:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120894 I agree, H’ann, it’s pretty feeble that it matters that the president has daughters. The disease thing drives me nuts — it completely gets in the way of a sane medical research policy.
It’s true, as gayle notes, that not all men change their minds. But I was in one of the early classes of women at a formerly all male university, and it was really clear that one thing that changed the dynamic for many men who had hoped it would always have just men was the idea of daughters and grand-daughters attending. So I do think that people’s experience changes their ideas. One would like to think that empathic imagination was more powerful than it is, but I’ll take experience.

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By: gayle http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120820 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:22:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120820 “Daughters (and granddaughters) matter to men in power.”

Not really. A few – and I emphasize a few – men in power think their own girl-children’s lives matter beyond procreation.

But that’s about that.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120810 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:12:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120810 I don’t object to the discussion of Clinton’s comments in Marie-Claire. Anne-Marie Slaughter’s article in the Atlantic last summer was already discussed a lot. And, in the main, I agree with Clinton: educated women and men in the U.S. have choices to make about their lives. No one gets as much of what they want in every aspect of life all of the time. Women like Clinton and Slaughter can disagree about stuff–I don’t believe that it was portrayed as a “catfight,” although the MJ crew apparently enjoyed the frisson of Slaughter’s article having been inspired by resigning from a big appointment in the State Department.

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120693 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:02:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120693 But of course, the price for said chastisement on Morning Joe is starting a bitch-fight between Mme. Secretary Clinton and Those ‘whiny’ Other Gals, over her quotes in the Marie Claire (i.e. Bitch Fight Internationale) over Women Having It All.

*le sigh*

One step forward, 40 yards back….

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120541 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:26:10 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120541 p.s. to Evan: your comment got held up in my SPAM filter. Thanks for your insider’s views on Gillard, Slipper, & Abbott.

When I searched google for an update on what’s going on down your way last night, the first story to pop up was a story about how the most prominent dictionary of Australian English (Macquarie) is going to change its definition of misogyny to “entrenched prejudice against women” rather than “hatred of women.”

This only makes sense, because all misogynists can point to a family member and say, “I don’t hate women! I’ve got a wife/sister/mother/daughter whom I love!” So while I understand your point about the cynical manipulation of feminism for Gillard’s ends–a point of view I share when it comes to Democratic manipulations of feminist ideas for the purposes of harvesting votes rather than implementing real change–at least you got a new dictionary definition for misogyny!

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By: nicoleandmaggie http://www.historiann.com/2012/10/18/binders-full-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1120534 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:13:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19749#comment-1120534 @TR
My department has had huge success hiring high quality women and minorities. (We’re almost all women and minority assistants and associates, in fact.) How do we do it? Well, we recruit widely and we pretty much just use rubrics to hire advanced assistants and new associates. We initially cut the pool by number of publications in a specific tier of journals. We look through the rest and rate on specific things in a grid using numbers. Then we compare people at the top with numbers that are above a certain threshhold. Then we double check all the women and minorities. We’re also good about policing potentially sexist and racist language and we almost completely ignore letters of recommendation.

We don’t assume that the woman or minority is the trailing spouse. And we end up with really strong final candidates even though our teaching load is a bit higher than average and we’re in the middle of nowhere. And then they accept the job. (Turns out hubby or partner is willing to be a trailing spouse and single women actually will take jobs in the middle of nowhere.)

I hear people (in other departments) say, “You can’t hire good women and minorities because they’re too hard to get.” But their only experience is trying to hire a shooting star woman or minority who is going to end up at a top 5 program. If the same person were a white man, our school wouldn’t even be trying because we know it would be a waste of time. But places aren’t willing to look at women who are objectively equivalent to the men they hire. Women (and minorities) have to be much much better, but women who are that much better go elsewhere. So we end up with folks who are higher quality than the men we could attract, just by using objective statistics. (Even though in our non-blind field, those objective statistics are already biased against women and minorities. Meaning their intrinsic quality is even higher just to get the same statistics. Even if the recommendation letters that are supposed to measure intrinsic quality are generally useless.)

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