Comments on: Another mass murder, another day in the U.S.A. http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1075036 Historiann Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:35:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1075036 Heh. But I think Schweitzer raises an interesting point I've never made about class. I think he's right that class privilege (in addition to race and gender privilege) is probably a part of the mix as well, at least among the highly visible and deadly mass-murders in public spaces. Heh. But I think Schweitzer raises an interesting point I’ve never made about class. I think he’s right that class privilege (in addition to race and gender privilege) is probably a part of the mix as well, at least among the highly visible and deadly mass-murders in public spaces.

]]> By: Liz2 http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1074950 Liz2 Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:12:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1074950 http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2012-07-why-most-mass-murderers-are-privileged-white-men Thought of you...but then it's only real when it comes from a white man, right? http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2012-07-why-most-mass-murderers-are-privileged-white-men

Thought of you…but then it’s only real when it comes from a white man, right?

]]> By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1074016 cgeye Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:01:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1074016 Again: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/gunman-arrested-near-campus-of-texas-am/ Again:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/gunman-arrested-near-campus-of-texas-am/

]]> By: Jonathon Booth http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1071421 Jonathon Booth Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:41:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1071421 Remember a couple years ago when the FBI said that right-wing white guy terrorism was a problem, and everyone freaked out? Yeah. This article is pretty good, and a bit terrifying, with the whole Nazis having lots of military training and infiltrating police departments www.salon.com/2012/08/07/fbi_right_wing_terror_is_real/ Also, regarding neo-Nazis and 14 worders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_words) and white supremacist militia guys, I still think woody allen said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCb2Le3wtIk Remember a couple years ago when the FBI said that right-wing white guy terrorism was a problem, and everyone freaked out? Yeah.

This article is pretty good, and a bit terrifying, with the whole Nazis having lots of military training and infiltrating police departments http://www.salon.com/2012/08/07/fbi_right_wing_terror_is_real/

Also, regarding neo-Nazis and 14 worders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_words) and white supremacist militia guys, I still think woody allen said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCb2Le3wtIk

]]> By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1071312 truffula Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:42:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1071312 I started to write a comment yesterday about seeking to understand why somebody acted in the way they did being wholly different from approval but then I thought I ought to listen to some of the popular reporting. It sounded not exactly like approval of the (presumed) intent but certainly a sloppy "well, that explains it then." Finding an expected cause--expected because we <i>do</i> live in a racist nation and certain of the ways racism is expressed are tolerated--at which to point is a super diversionary tactic. No need to talk about the guns thing, it's just a racist thing. Hell, we have a dude who makes racist statements <i>en plein air</i> running for president. I think Sikhs have always been targeted in the US, by racists and by people who wish to manipulate racist attitudes toward other ends. I started to write a comment yesterday about seeking to understand why somebody acted in the way they did being wholly different from approval but then I thought I ought to listen to some of the popular reporting. It sounded not exactly like approval of the (presumed) intent but certainly a sloppy “well, that explains it then.”

Finding an expected cause–expected because we do live in a racist nation and certain of the ways racism is expressed are tolerated–at which to point is a super diversionary tactic. No need to talk about the guns thing, it’s just a racist thing. Hell, we have a dude who makes racist statements en plein air running for president.

I think Sikhs have always been targeted in the US, by racists and by people who wish to manipulate racist attitudes toward other ends.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1071159 Historiann Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:25:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1071159 Does anyone here seriously think that in calling white supremacists dumb for mistaking Sikhs for Muslims suggests that I <i>approve</i> of the mass murder of Muslims? Just asking. I hear what best_of_fair is saying, but I actually think it's relevant to explain why Sikhs in particular have been targeted for particular kinds of harassment and violence since 9/11/2001. That doesn't make it implicitly okay to target Muslims, it just helps explain the extra-special dumbassery involved when someone attacks people just because the men wear turbans and beards. Does anyone here seriously think that in calling white supremacists dumb for mistaking Sikhs for Muslims suggests that I approve of the mass murder of Muslims?

Just asking.

I hear what best_of_fair is saying, but I actually think it’s relevant to explain why Sikhs in particular have been targeted for particular kinds of harassment and violence since 9/11/2001. That doesn’t make it implicitly okay to target Muslims, it just helps explain the extra-special dumbassery involved when someone attacks people just because the men wear turbans and beards.

]]> By: Katherine http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1071138 Katherine Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:15:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1071138 Also by classifying some mass shootings as "domestic terrorism" and not others it is easier to dismiss the common problems of available guns and weapons, lack of access to mental health, and media culture that essentializes any understanding of gender that all contribute to these events. Also by classifying some mass shootings as “domestic terrorism” and not others it is easier to dismiss the common problems of available guns and weapons, lack of access to mental health, and media culture that essentializes any understanding of gender that all contribute to these events.

]]> By: koshembos http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1070944 koshembos Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:32:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1070944 If the constitution allows us to be armed why can't I buy a tank? A tank in the Sikh temple would have been a great deterrent. Why killing more than 3 (4, 5) people is terrorism? Were does this come from? The murderers have been mostly white men for decades, but does it make much of a difference? Are scientists working on a white men don't murder vaccine? If the constitution allows us to be armed why can’t I buy a tank? A tank in the Sikh temple would have been a great deterrent.

Why killing more than 3 (4, 5) people is terrorism? Were does this come from?

The murderers have been mostly white men for decades, but does it make much of a difference? Are scientists working on a white men don’t murder vaccine?

]]> By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1070898 Z Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:29:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1070898 CPP, I often say this in real life, and it offends people very greatly. CPP, I often say this in real life, and it offends people very greatly.

]]> By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2012/08/06/another-mass-murder-another-day-in-the-u-s-a/comment-page-1/#comment-1070888 Comradde PhysioProffe Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:23:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19307#comment-1070888 When are we gonna grapple with the fact that almost all of the most murderous vicious mass killers and other incorrigible violent serial miscreants in the United States–including serial child molestors and mass child porn purveyors–are white <i>christian</i> d00ds? Are we ever gonna discuss whether it is in the <i>nature</i> of white christian d00ds to commit the most heinous of violent mass and serial crimes, just like we do members of other identifiable racial and religious groups whenever one of them commits a crime? When are we gonna grapple with the fact that almost all of the most murderous vicious mass killers and other incorrigible violent serial miscreants in the United States–including serial child molestors and mass child porn purveyors–are white christian d00ds? Are we ever gonna discuss whether it is in the nature of white christian d00ds to commit the most heinous of violent mass and serial crimes, just like we do members of other identifiable racial and religious groups whenever one of them commits a crime?

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