Comments on: Gender, ownership, and the law http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:05:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Mutant Supermodel http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1067076 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:32:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1067076 You are absolutely brilliant

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By: Conjectural – n-dimensional http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1066703 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:03:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1066703 [...] What if we treated men like we treat women? What would the world look like if we presumed the same ownership and control of men by women that women have historically suffered at the hands of men?  Just imagine: Because nearly all perpetrators of mass murders are men, most of them are young men, and most of them are emotionally or personally troubled people, I think it would be a terrific idea to make a law declaring that a young man under the age of 30 or so must get written consent from his mother and/or any woman to whom he is or was married before he can purchase a gun. Men who are not married would have to pay for a private investigator to talk to all of the women he works with and all of his friends and social contacts to get their opinion as to whether or not he should have a gun.  If there are any women at all in young men’s lives, these women are probably better judges of the men’s character and fitness for gun ownership than any criminal background check.  If there are no women at all in these young men’s lives–well, then, that would seem to weed out most of the accused mass murderers we’ve seen in the past fifteen years or so. [...]

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By: Link We-Love-July « Grumpy rumblings of the half-tenured http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1065300 Sat, 28 Jul 2012 07:24:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1065300 [...] Can I get a HELL YEAH for this post from Historiann:  Gender, Ownership, and the Law. [...]

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By: cvp http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1063768 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 05:28:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1063768 Wow, I guess great minds think alike. Although my “when I’m queen” fantasy world has a more radical version of your proposal re gun ownership. Licensing age would simply be 18 for women and 30 for men, barring any record of violent offenses prior to those ages. For men, the justification that personal firearms are needed to protect family and home will be valid right around the age when they have something to protect (and have fully-developed brains, and have passed the typical age of onset for schizophrenia). The younger age for women is, of course, necessary for *personal* protection from violent actors who are physically stronger (men).

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By: tinfoil hattie http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1063682 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 02:38:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1063682 Perfect illustration of the points in this brilliant post: last Tuesday, Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto tweeted the following:

“I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice.”

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By: hysperia http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1062929 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:15:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1062929 After trying for days to glean some understanding of the world my USian friends live in, I have gained the most from this post and discussion. I should have known.
Since someone mentioned my country, Canada, I have something to add. We experience relatively low levels of gun violence here, but that is changing. Most handguns used by gang members, who are increasingly asserting their presence, are smuggled in from the US. But of more concern is the gun-friendliness of our current federal government. For years we had a gun registry in this country which simply required owners of long guns (hunting rifles) to register the fact of their ownership and made this information available to police. Despite the fact that police reported finding the registry useful, particularly in cases of potential domestic violence, the Conservative government decided to abolish the registry this year and destroy the data collected. The USian NRA and other USian gun enthusiasts supported this initiative and spent huge amounts of money on advertising and supporting Canadian gun enthusiasts. The Registry is now gone. And I’m sure that other gun control measures are as doomed here, for now, as they are in the US. This despite the fact that deaths by long-gun, including suicides, fell during the period the Registry was in use. And by the way, the Registry was set up as a result of the activism of the mothers of women murdered in what is known as the “Montreal Massacre”.
US culture is a communicable disease.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1062832 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:53:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1062832 LadyProf: yes, exactly. Thanks for your sharp editorial suggestion! I’ve changed the original post to reflect your suggested wording.

Jonathon: I agree. I like that term “friendzone”–never heard it before but once you read it it makes perfect sense. On the racial angle, however, I would point out that there have been some nonwhite mass-murderers, esp. in recent university shootings, for example the VTech massacre and the one out in the Bay Area recently.

I think one reason the Aurora shooting is inspiring so much shock and outrage is that no murderer has gone on a rampage in a movie theater, whereas I think we became accustomed to murderous rampages in high schools and universities.

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By: Jonathon Booth http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1062807 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:05:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1062807 Let’s not forget about race. I think we should really look deeper into the white pathology that leads to mass killing. Perhaps it does start in the white family, historically conditioned to get whatever it wants. It may not be politically correct to say so, but we have a big problem with white serial killers and mass murders in this country, and, if we reject biological determinism, we must look at the tangle of pathology that is white male culture.

One place I think would be very fruitful is the idea of “friendzoning” (http://xkcd.com/513/). Men (usually white) view their female friends as a prize, and often lash out when they feel they can’t have this prize. Did Mr. Holmes perceive himself to be “friendzoned” recently? Did he listen to metal music? All of these things contribute to White male pathology, and we should probably be talking about them!

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1062800 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:53:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1062800 Sorry, hit Submit too soon: I was puzzled by one word.

If there are no women at all in young men’s lives, these women are probably better judges of the men’s character and fitness for gun ownership than any criminal background check. If there are no women at all in these young men’s lives–well, then, that would seem to weed out most of the accused mass murderers we’ve seen in the past fifteen years or so.

Should the first “no” be “any”?

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2012/07/22/gender-and-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1062798 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:50:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=19221#comment-1062798 One of the most brilliant essays I’ve ever seen on the Internet. Brava, Historiann.

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