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	<title>Comments on: The institutional response to harassment</title>
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	<description>History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</description>
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		<title>By: m Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-2/#comment-1028142</link>
		<dc:creator>m Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why should a sexual assaulter get no criminal record?  This reminds me of the Catholic Church...</description>
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		<title>By: m Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1028126</link>
		<dc:creator>m Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been able to figure out why a corporation or school gets to act as government-authorized law enforcement.  Crimes should not handled by corporations or schools -- that&#039;s the job for the police.

What actual legal distinction exists between &quot;I was sexually harassed in the park&quot; and &quot;I was sexually harassed in my teacher&#039;s office&quot;?  Colleges are assuming way more authority than they are entitled to -- and it&#039;s obvious why -- their only purpose is to downgrade actual crimes to mere &quot;impoliteness&quot; which magically deserves no more than a frowny face.   

And, if they&#039;re going to have their own law &quot;enforcement&quot; then they should have their own prison system.  Or be required to pay the public courts and jails when the need arises.  It&#039;s like they want their cake and eat it too.  Tuition money pays for administrative judges with no public oversight, no consistency from school to school, and very little accountability for the criminal; yet the taxes of the student&#039;s parents must still pay for public police protection so they&#039;re paying twice.  

Btw, I want to be a &quot;school&quot; or a &quot;corporation&quot; with this amount of authority, and anybody who suffers a crime in my jurisdiction has to allow me to be judge jury and prison.  Seems fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been able to figure out why a corporation or school gets to act as government-authorized law enforcement.  Crimes should not handled by corporations or schools &#8212; that&#8217;s the job for the police.</p>
<p>What actual legal distinction exists between &#8220;I was sexually harassed in the park&#8221; and &#8220;I was sexually harassed in my teacher&#8217;s office&#8221;?  Colleges are assuming way more authority than they are entitled to &#8212; and it&#8217;s obvious why &#8212; their only purpose is to downgrade actual crimes to mere &#8220;impoliteness&#8221; which magically deserves no more than a frowny face.   </p>
<p>And, if they&#8217;re going to have their own law &#8220;enforcement&#8221; then they should have their own prison system.  Or be required to pay the public courts and jails when the need arises.  It&#8217;s like they want their cake and eat it too.  Tuition money pays for administrative judges with no public oversight, no consistency from school to school, and very little accountability for the criminal; yet the taxes of the student&#8217;s parents must still pay for public police protection so they&#8217;re paying twice.  </p>
<p>Btw, I want to be a &#8220;school&#8221; or a &#8220;corporation&#8221; with this amount of authority, and anybody who suffers a crime in my jurisdiction has to allow me to be judge jury and prison.  Seems fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1027819</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen several tenured harassers removed - with lawyers, though. I prefer to just go off on them, tell them I will beat them up if they come one step further, things along those lines. The one time I was convinced to seek administrative remedy for something more minor, it was a disaster - one I could have predicted, too, because yes it is true, institutions are in the business of protecting themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen several tenured harassers removed &#8211; with lawyers, though. I prefer to just go off on them, tell them I will beat them up if they come one step further, things along those lines. The one time I was convinced to seek administrative remedy for something more minor, it was a disaster &#8211; one I could have predicted, too, because yes it is true, institutions are in the business of protecting themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Western Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1025692</link>
		<dc:creator>Western Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 13:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TR,
OTOH age has it&#039;s benefits.  It&#039;s a heck of a lot less awkward for my students when we do history of sexuality stuff now that I have some grey in my beard.  The 10th grade girls in the US survey used to get awkward when he did topics like birth control, changing aesthetics of body types, the rise of the categories &quot;gay&quot; and &quot;straight&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TR,<br />
OTOH age has it&#8217;s benefits.  It&#8217;s a heck of a lot less awkward for my students when we do history of sexuality stuff now that I have some grey in my beard.  The 10th grade girls in the US survey used to get awkward when he did topics like birth control, changing aesthetics of body types, the rise of the categories &#8220;gay&#8221; and &#8220;straight&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1025378</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 03:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking to Western Dave&#039;s point, I had girls who tried to flirt me up in office hours too (fewer in recent years: funny how age, and the hiring of younger faculty, changes things.)

I found it flattering, and a little sad, and it is a different scenario from unwanted advances because the student is hoping at least a little to be advanced upon.  But I also recall being graphically aware of what a narcissistic a$$hat I would have had to be to understand such flirting as consent for me to take things to the level of sex/romance -- or even flirting back.  

But not all my colleagues felt that way.  I think for some it was a way to play out feelings of dominance and power that they didn&#039;t have access to among faculty colleagues, and in a way they felt they could not be punished for. For others, women and men, a peculiar haze enveloped them, in which they came to believe that no one else would ever know about this relationship with a student, and it would be a special thing that blended romance with nurturing this students intellectual gifts.  Which was, of course, insane. And everyone around them knew, because you can tell when someone&#039;s endorphins are going through the roof when they are with a particular person, but mostly folks didn&#039;t have the &#039;nads to say anything.  I did say something, twice, and each time time the colleague responded with shame and fear, and then avoided me completely for the time it took for the affair to run its course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking to Western Dave&#8217;s point, I had girls who tried to flirt me up in office hours too (fewer in recent years: funny how age, and the hiring of younger faculty, changes things.)</p>
<p>I found it flattering, and a little sad, and it is a different scenario from unwanted advances because the student is hoping at least a little to be advanced upon.  But I also recall being graphically aware of what a narcissistic a$$hat I would have had to be to understand such flirting as consent for me to take things to the level of sex/romance &#8212; or even flirting back.  </p>
<p>But not all my colleagues felt that way.  I think for some it was a way to play out feelings of dominance and power that they didn&#8217;t have access to among faculty colleagues, and in a way they felt they could not be punished for. For others, women and men, a peculiar haze enveloped them, in which they came to believe that no one else would ever know about this relationship with a student, and it would be a special thing that blended romance with nurturing this students intellectual gifts.  Which was, of course, insane. And everyone around them knew, because you can tell when someone&#8217;s endorphins are going through the roof when they are with a particular person, but mostly folks didn&#8217;t have the &#8216;nads to say anything.  I did say something, twice, and each time time the colleague responded with shame and fear, and then avoided me completely for the time it took for the affair to run its course.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Otto Pohl</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1025125</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Otto Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops my post crossed with FP. I don&#039;t think limiting discussion of the problem to US institutions is useful. First, because I have never worked at a US university and have nothing to say. But, also because the problems described also exist elsewhere including at UG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops my post crossed with FP. I don&#8217;t think limiting discussion of the problem to US institutions is useful. First, because I have never worked at a US university and have nothing to say. But, also because the problems described also exist elsewhere including at UG.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Otto Pohl</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1025122</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Otto Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann:

It may be that most older White American faculty have no sexual interest in Black women. Although I have no idea how one would determine this. But, this hardly makes young Black women safe from sexual harassment at universities. Primarily, because there are a lot of universities in the world that are not overwhelmingly White even among the faculty. There are a lot more Black people in Africa than there are people total in the US. It would be nice if sexual harassment were not a problem at African universities. But, we haven&#039;t eliminated it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann:</p>
<p>It may be that most older White American faculty have no sexual interest in Black women. Although I have no idea how one would determine this. But, this hardly makes young Black women safe from sexual harassment at universities. Primarily, because there are a lot of universities in the world that are not overwhelmingly White even among the faculty. There are a lot more Black people in Africa than there are people total in the US. It would be nice if sexual harassment were not a problem at African universities. But, we haven&#8217;t eliminated it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: thefrogprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefrogprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Historiann has it right. My comments were very much context-specific: i.e. the US academy. And I was also somewhat saying that in jest, although I do think that the way race, desire, and demographics work in this country (i.e. there are very few black men in academia, and white men are statistically significantly less interested in black women than in white women) does mean that sexual relationships (also including flirting, etc) between black students and white professors are rare, hence my shock at Historiann&#039;s anecdotal evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Historiann has it right. My comments were very much context-specific: i.e. the US academy. And I was also somewhat saying that in jest, although I do think that the way race, desire, and demographics work in this country (i.e. there are very few black men in academia, and white men are statistically significantly less interested in black women than in white women) does mean that sexual relationships (also including flirting, etc) between black students and white professors are rare, hence my shock at Historiann&#8217;s anecdotal evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto--I don&#039;t think FP was suggesting that sexual harassment is a white thing.  I think she was suggesting (somewhat playfully?) that one great thing about being a black woman in an overwhelmingly white environment in U.S. higher ed (esp. among the faculty) is some measure of protection against predation by older, white faculty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto&#8211;I don&#8217;t think FP was suggesting that sexual harassment is a white thing.  I think she was suggesting (somewhat playfully?) that one great thing about being a black woman in an overwhelmingly white environment in U.S. higher ed (esp. among the faculty) is some measure of protection against predation by older, white faculty.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Otto Pohl</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2012/05/28/the-institutional-response-to-harassment/comment-page-1/#comment-1025105</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Otto Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frog Princess:

We have sexual harassment here in Legon very similar to what exists in the US and almost all our students are Black as are most of our faculty. Some older Black professors sometimes act in the same inappropriate manner towards female students as what is described in the post. The university is now cracking down on it. In large part as a result of pressure from active women faculty. But, sexual harassment is not something by any means unique to White people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog Princess:</p>
<p>We have sexual harassment here in Legon very similar to what exists in the US and almost all our students are Black as are most of our faculty. Some older Black professors sometimes act in the same inappropriate manner towards female students as what is described in the post. The university is now cracking down on it. In large part as a result of pressure from active women faculty. But, sexual harassment is not something by any means unique to White people.</p>
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