Comments on: No American history at Cal universities? http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:56:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-993051 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:51:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-993051 I was mentioning this post yesterday to a colleague who has a Ph.D from UC-Berkeley–this cruel deprivation for the youth of the Golden State of being available to be taught American history. Her reaction was that if this is true it’s also a great opportunity for historians to become “Forty Niners,” rushing out there to rectify the imbalance. If this pans out, we could maybe even call the program “Erasing the Elephant.” I just have one plea: anyone who can prove that they helped to dismiss a junior senator from PA from his last degree program, by which I mean public office, should get to draft first as those luscious endowed chairs fall under the hammer.

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By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991564 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:43:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991564 Although I was kidding around with the John Kyl reference, the fact is that the GOP has gone so far off the rails, that even in its supposed mainstream, there is simply no longer any expectation by its constituents that its leaders are even attempting to emit utterances that have a truth value, let alone that they are actually true.

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By: JJ http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991547 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:05:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991547 “My favorite part was the “it’s not even available to be taught!!!” bit. What the frickety-frack does that even mean?”

At first I thought, “Oh, you know, it’s like those obscure Topics in Specific Research Area that are only taught in odd-numbered spring semesters or when Dr. So-and-So is back from doing fieldwork every six years- they’re in the catalog, but they aren’t available every semester, and Santorum must be saying that not only are these classes not taught, but they aren’t even listed in the catalog!”

Then I thought, “Oh come on, like Rick Santorum actually consulted a college’s catalog.”

So I have no idea either.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991446 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:56:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991446 I’ve got a busy day of destroying the foundations of our great nation tomorrow

Ha ha. My very own teaching profile has recently come under the scrutiny of a certain segment of the extremo-blogo-sphere. Among the topics I have no business teaching is a seminar on science communication. The jokes, they write themselves.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991425 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:00:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991425 Per Historiann’s point @5:22 Richard S. Dunn said it best, in the preface to a collection of essays by a UC system professor: “Most historians are whigs. Gary Nash is NOT a whig.” Full stop. No more needed to be said.

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By: John S. http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991377 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:52:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991377 As I FWIW, I should clarify that I meant most “exciting” thing to happen in Davis in a positive sense. As a friend reminded me, the pepper-spray cop made *slightly* more news…but that was “exciting” in an “alarming and terrifying” kind of way. This was more of a “hey, they’re filming outside our seminar room!” way. Nonetheless, even with the local news we can’t get no respect, as evidence by their trumpeting of “Pulitzer Prize Winner Allen Taylor” as one of UCD’s finest. Ah, fact checking on local news; even they can’t find the website.

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By: Anonymous http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991372 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:36:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991372 So *that’s* why the job market has been drying up . . .

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991301 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:22:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991301 My favorite part was the “it’s not even available to be taught!!!” bit. What the frickety-frack does that even mean? Historians in California are busy disappearing American history? We’re not making any more American history–production has stopped, or it’s been moved offshore, like so much other manufacturing?

WTF???

Here’s the completely corny truth you’ll never hear from the right: American historians teach and write American history because deep down, we’re most of us Whig historians who believe in ideals like “all men are created equal” and “we the people” and all of that patriotic claptrap. Most of us believe too that the U.S. can and must do better in making good on its ideals–but the fact is that we’re foremost among the Love America (as opposed to the Hate America) Crowd.

But of course, in order to appreciate that right wing pols would need to read our books and attend our classes, and they’re just not into working all that hard. The anti-intellectual strain in American politics is alive and well, and in no danger of vanishing with paranoid fantasists and liars like Santorum running for president.

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By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991218 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:24:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991218 Scratch that. Here’s a way that it might be true:

“Seven or eight out of the California system of universities don’t even teach an American history course…”

If he’s treating all three of the California University systems — UC, Cal State, and the massive community college system — as a single higher ed system, that’s over 200 campuses, most of them community colleges, and a handful of them specialty schools (Los Angeles Trade Tech; California Maritime Academy, etc). I suppose that among all that, you might find seven or eight that don’t teach a U.S. History survey.

Now, I should get to bed. Because as a professor, I’ve got a busy day of destroying the foundations of our great nation tomorrow, and I need to be well rested.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2012/04/03/no-american-history-at-cal-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-991215 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:17:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18516#comment-991215 Not only that, it’s a state requirement to take a certain number of credits in US history and institutions.

I remember b*ing about it as I thought it was or would be or was intended as patriotic indoctrination but as my smarter friend pointed out, people need that material at the college level if they are to understand seriously what has happened and is happening, the contexts in which we function.

Took the course and it was serious and great, made you want to know more.

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