Comments on: Pretty on the inside http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:19:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965556 Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:12:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965556 Ancient (male) senators get extra style points for the “crinkly” corners of their eyes. And the corrugated surfaces of their foreheads only testify to how many important bills they’ve moved out of “mark-up,” through committee, and onto the legendary “floor.” I personally never moved much of anything onto the floor except for a few hundred lukewarm plastic bowlfuls of maple-flavored oatmeal back in the day. I do pick up a few stray points on the “crinkly” factor, though.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965353 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:35:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965353 The Stepford Wives live again!

Except, I don’t think women get botox to please the men in their lives. My sense–just a guess, I suppose, since I don’t run with a boxtoxy crowd–is that botox injections and other cosmetic procedures to the face are more about the public presentation of the self, and they’re not primarily about pleasing a partner. They’re about professional viability and about one’s perceived value in the marketplace moreso than pleasing a man.

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By: undine http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965314 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:14:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965314 Agreed–looking “as if they’d had work done.” It’s actually a distraction to watching some movies and tv shows, because instead of wondering what the character’s doing, you wonder exactly what work she’s (or he) has had done (cheek implants? lips? various appendages?) instead of focusing on the plot. Of course, that may say something about the quality of the entertainment, too. It’s mostly women, but some men, too: they get their eyes done, apparently, and look like a poleaxed deer in the headlights thereafter.

And just to add a twist to the botox affecting emotions idea, it also travels to the brain:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4B_t.tm4Kpc

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965290 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:40:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965290 Helen Mirren is gorgeous, but that movie Cook/Theif/Wife/Lover was just vile.

I think you’re right, joellecid–scrawny WITH breast implants, manicures, etc. suggests someone with the time and money to spend on personal grooming far beyond what most people can (or want) to do. And yes, subcutaneous fat is a good thing for plumping out wrinkles!

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By: joellecid http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965284 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:21:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965284 The problem is that by being anorexic, you lose the body fat that makes your face look stereotypically “soft and feminine” and thus have to refill it with collagen, restalyn and other implants to soften it up again. That goes for breast implants, too. Most women (are there any?) can’t naturally be a size 0 or 2 waist and a C- or D-cup. It’s a seriously vicious cycle.

I also think that “looking done” is important as a social marker of status — you have celebrity and money to keep your face up, even if people all know about it. I think it looks awful, but do most people? The constant pressure to look young is everywhere.

And yes, Northern Barbarian, Helen Mirren is gorgeous at any age (as is Meryl Streep).

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By: Northern Barbarian http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965230 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:34:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965230 When “The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, Her Lover” came out in 1989, I was struck by how sexy Helen Mirren and her male lead looked, *and* they looked quite middle-aged! It was refreshing to see two very normal, somewhat flabby people enjoying sex (never mind what happens later in the film). When will Hollywood ever stop feeling threatened by older and stronger women? Probably around the same time they stop making movies mostly for 14-year-odl boys. . .

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By: Perpetua http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965174 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:50:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965174 I also think that the too-thin frames of the fortysomething actresses who are getting all the work done does not help the situation. Something about skin and bones plus too-stretched skin? I mean, I don’t like the skinny look on anyone, but I think it’s particularly unflattering on the 30+ crowd. (I remember vividly one day watching Friends thinking, wow Courtney Cox is looking unusually beautiful these days. And then realized that she’d gained 5-10 pounds, and then realized that she was pregnant [they were trying to hide the pregnancy as it was not a in the character's plot].)

I thought Meryl Streep’s point about never having been particularly f*@kable is an astute one. She either made a conscious decision not to go down that route or people just never saw her that way (or a combo) – it makes sense to me that the stars that are tied to sex finding aging in the industry more difficult.

There’s great commentary on the movie version of Sense and Sensibility too, where Emma Thompson (who wrote the script) remarks how everyone went Ewwww about the pairing of her with Hugh Grant, because, they claimed, he’s so much younger than she. Except they’re the exact same age. She said we’re so used to seeing old men with teenaged girls we forget what two people in their late thirties look like together.

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By: Clint Eastwood's Rubber Ducky http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965105 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:09:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965105 ugh sorry, too early and I am on a self imposed coffee ban these days.. I mean that I was afraid that all that george clooney, old men=sexually attractive, and to quote a former student of mine, “old women– EW.” was true. and I don’t think that it is.

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By: Clint Eastwood's Rubber Ducky http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-965103 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:07:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-965103 a really interesting post…

@dr crazy, I haven’t seen the Fincher version yet of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, but I remember being struck by the same thing in the original Swedish films. One, that there were so many WOMEN in the film in background extra ish roles that would de facto have been men in an american film- cops, judges, etc. Also, it was more striking for me visually just how equal the staff of millenium was. And two, yeah- lots of middle aged woman. Attractive women that looked real- lines, wrinkles, expression. Even though most of the people in the film looked tired and or harassed (which to be fair, they were), there was something real and urgent and (I thought) kinda hot about it.

This made me realise just how much cultural programming has affected the way I see the world.. part of me probably did worry that the whole george clooney, older men are just attractive and older women just empirically aren’t is in no way true. We just aren’t given the opportunity to see women in the same light.

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By: koshembos http://www.historiann.com/2012/02/16/pretty-on-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-964946 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:17:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=18081#comment-964946 So, we the better people decide that some “corrections” are acceptable while some are, as Muslim say, kharam (forbidden). A blonde wig is great, how about hair transplant for my bald cabeza? Does it change my personality? If I lift weight for 3 hours everyday, do I start to speak with an Austrian accent?

We all fight demons and as the Israeli poet (Nathan Zach) said: Sorrow doesn’t leave a mark.

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