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	<title>Comments on: And their music?  It&#8217;s just noise!</title>
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		<title>By: joellecid</title>
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		<dc:creator>joellecid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hated math class -- 8:00 on the other side of campus -- and completely ignored the instructor when I bothered to show up at all.  I could have gotten extra credit for handing in the homework, but I never even bothered.  My grade reflected it.  At the time I blamed the instructor, but now I know how obnoxious I was. 

I don&#039;t blame the students I have now, especially in my core requirement courses.  I just try to keep them reasonably entertained as they sit there with no pens or notebooks (attendance is required at my school).  And as a history prof, telling funny and sometimes pathetic stories tends to keep them happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hated math class &#8212; 8:00 on the other side of campus &#8212; and completely ignored the instructor when I bothered to show up at all.  I could have gotten extra credit for handing in the homework, but I never even bothered.  My grade reflected it.  At the time I blamed the instructor, but now I know how obnoxious I was. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame the students I have now, especially in my core requirement courses.  I just try to keep them reasonably entertained as they sit there with no pens or notebooks (attendance is required at my school).  And as a history prof, telling funny and sometimes pathetic stories tends to keep them happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt_L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a middling student in High School. I almost flunked Chemistry, Geometry and Trig. (God, I was awful in Geometry, writing those proofs was hell, I still don&#039;t get it). I earned &#039;A&#039;s in History and Religion classes sometimes in English. 

I was a better student in College, but I sure as heck had a hard time making it to my eight o&#039;clock classes. I had an epiphany after I talked to the TA about why I had done poorly on a midterm. She said something in a kind, but straightforward manner – To earn a better grade I had to use the readings in the exams. Boy, that was eye opening, because nobody had ever told me that! That one brief discussion made me a better student. I actually did more of the readings and did better in the class. Obvious in retrospect, but not self-evident at the time.

I had a great time in my upper division and even the lower division history classes, but sometimes struggled in the general education courses. I remember particularly hating one sociology class. In retrospect, most of this, 90% of it, was rank immaturity on my part. There were somethings the instructors could have done better, like rubrics and better assignment sheets. But that was the 1980s.

I try to remember my own immaturity when teaching students at Woebegone State University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a middling student in High School. I almost flunked Chemistry, Geometry and Trig. (God, I was awful in Geometry, writing those proofs was hell, I still don&#8217;t get it). I earned &#8216;A&#8217;s in History and Religion classes sometimes in English. </p>
<p>I was a better student in College, but I sure as heck had a hard time making it to my eight o&#8217;clock classes. I had an epiphany after I talked to the TA about why I had done poorly on a midterm. She said something in a kind, but straightforward manner – To earn a better grade I had to use the readings in the exams. Boy, that was eye opening, because nobody had ever told me that! That one brief discussion made me a better student. I actually did more of the readings and did better in the class. Obvious in retrospect, but not self-evident at the time.</p>
<p>I had a great time in my upper division and even the lower division history classes, but sometimes struggled in the general education courses. I remember particularly hating one sociology class. In retrospect, most of this, 90% of it, was rank immaturity on my part. There were somethings the instructors could have done better, like rubrics and better assignment sheets. But that was the 1980s.</p>
<p>I try to remember my own immaturity when teaching students at Woebegone State University.</p>
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		<title>By: tony grafton</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony grafton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a crappy student in high school, lazy and sometimes badly behaved. Got it together as a senior and acted more or less human and serious--bar stupid young male tendency to answer too many questions, behavior I remember with great embarrassment--in college. I also worked hard and did consistently well. And then fell apart in the first year of grad school and had to relearn all that discipline . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a crappy student in high school, lazy and sometimes badly behaved. Got it together as a senior and acted more or less human and serious&#8211;bar stupid young male tendency to answer too many questions, behavior I remember with great embarrassment&#8211;in college. I also worked hard and did consistently well. And then fell apart in the first year of grad school and had to relearn all that discipline . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had a flashback to the day I was kicked out of class because I had an uncontrollable laughing fit.

I am also currently wondering why most of my students seem reluctant to give up on the Pilgrims as the founders of colonial  America.

I was both the jerk in the classroom  (and remind myself of this often) and the intellectually curious student.  In the first two years it was entirely dependent on the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had a flashback to the day I was kicked out of class because I had an uncontrollable laughing fit.</p>
<p>I am also currently wondering why most of my students seem reluctant to give up on the Pilgrims as the founders of colonial  America.</p>
<p>I was both the jerk in the classroom  (and remind myself of this often) and the intellectually curious student.  In the first two years it was entirely dependent on the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 06:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t the students who act that way, it&#039;s the administrative staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the students who act that way, it&#8217;s the administrative staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stoned in film class? Yep, that was me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stoned in film class? Yep, that was me.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did you do, Notorious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you do, Notorious?</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notorious Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was drunk in one of my finals.  Because I&#039;d been drunk when I studied for it, so of course, I *had* to be drunk when I took the test, because I had wired my brain like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was drunk in one of my finals.  Because I&#8217;d been drunk when I studied for it, so of course, I *had* to be drunk when I took the test, because I had wired my brain like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 02:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koshembos--I think you&#039;re being a little hard on the 18- or 20-year old Bradley.  There are a lot of reasonably ambitious and curious students in college who fear exposure of their ignorance more than their own ignorance.  I identified with that--I came from a family in which my parents were professionals, but we didn&#039;t hang out with doctors, lawyers, or college professors.  College was Terra Incognita for me, and I was often unsure as to how to proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koshembos&#8211;I think you&#8217;re being a little hard on the 18- or 20-year old Bradley.  There are a lot of reasonably ambitious and curious students in college who fear exposure of their ignorance more than their own ignorance.  I identified with that&#8211;I came from a family in which my parents were professionals, but we didn&#8217;t hang out with doctors, lawyers, or college professors.  College was Terra Incognita for me, and I was often unsure as to how to proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this Louis CK bit may be even more to the point (NSFW, unless you work in a slaughterhouse):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwy_fy5tmf0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this Louis CK bit may be even more to the point (NSFW, unless you work in a slaughterhouse):<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwy_fy5tmf0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwy_fy5tmf0</a></p>
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