Comments on: Teaching the history of sexuality: more men but less rape, please? http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Great one-liners you’ll never see outside of the feminist blogosphere : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-967391 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:03:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-967391 [...] wish I were teaching the history of sexuality course this semester that I co-taught last semester.  I would really love to hear about my students’ reactions to fact that birth control has [...]

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By: Links of Great Interest: Everybody wanna have a good time — The Hathor Legacy http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-954238 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:52:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-954238 [...] think the problem is that most modern college students experience sex as liberating, and they don’t [...]

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By: m Andrea http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951838 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:10:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951838 @Iowaprof, as a non-academic, I am massively curious how you could get students to understand the difference between gender and sex. Dealing with folks who don’t understand the difference is a problem all feminists in general have, so what is it you say (or have them read) which has such a long-lasting effect?

Always a pleasure to read here, btw.

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By: thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951708 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:45:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951708 Oh, I don’t think their discomfort is something you should change your content around for, Perpetua. I think students could use some of the jarring, especially since while they might not be old enough to experience/witness much hostility to women, they certainly are old enough to vote, votes that are based on how much they understand the world around them. But it’s interesting to think about the sources of the discomfort.

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By: Perpetua http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951670 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:15:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951670 @thefrogprincess, I think you’re right about part of what accounts for the “surprise” of feminist opinions. Clearly, they view feminism as inherently “biased” (that is, lacking legitimacy) and also alienating. But I find myself perplexed how to teach pre-modern women’s history without something that smacks of feminism. How do we talk about women’s relationship to society, religion, and law without talking about their roles as second class citizens/ people without legal autonomy or whatever? It seems like in addition to a postfeminist present they want a postfeminist *past*, and the inability to distinguish between the two is frustrating for me, as a historian. (Obviously, I am in no way personally sympathetic with the idea of a postfeminist present.)

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By: Charlie http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951565 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:40:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951565 Awesome reading list! Those are some lucky kids.

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By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951475 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:12:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951475 Regarding my friend’s course: bear in mind that this is a course on as many aspects of war and gender as possible. No one’s saying that war doesn’t involve a lot of rape, nor that it’s not an element in her other discussions. But when you think of all the way that gender touches on war, that leaves quite a bit to cover.

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By: thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951416 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:19:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951416 I wonder if another reason that students are “surprised” to encounter feminist opinions is because students now have little concrete sense of the difficulties women have in our society. For the most part, we’ve managed to push the point when discrimination against women really becomes obvious until after college, so that our students are coming in unaware in any meaningful or personal way. Feminism to them seems like pointless carping, b/c they’ve yet to experience the workplace/postgraduate issues and because so few of them (at least at traditional 4-yr, 18-22 colleges) are married.

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By: Sisyphus http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951414 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:16:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951414 I’m sure you could get more discussions of pleasure in the early part of the course —- What about _When Jesus Came, The Corn Mothers Went Away: Marriage, Sexuality and Power in New Mexico? Or Lisa Duggan’s _Sapphic Slashers_? Or the West? I know I’ve seen some good stuff on women in early San Francisco — though what I know of California Indian history would bring it right back to the “depressing” comments.

What about Hawaii? I think this list also needs some more discussion of how immigration restrictions and sexuality went together — policing Chinese women would-be immigrants as potential prostitutes and pathogens, for example. And then you could compare that with the point that native-born women would lose their citizenship if they married a foreigner.

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/19/teaching-the-history-of-sexuality-more-men-but-less-rape-please/comment-page-1/#comment-951402 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:46:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17863#comment-951402 I love the Chauncey book. I was asked to give three books that kids could choose from to read for summer reading and then I would lead a cross grade discussion 9-12. The Chauncey was one of them.

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