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		<title>By: New Year&#8217;s Resolution: Hundreds of pounds gone, overnight! And a promise to keep them off. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Year&#8217;s Resolution: Hundreds of pounds gone, overnight! And a promise to keep them off. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weight, that is, not body weight.  Our recent discussion of clutter, inspired by the super-detailed and super-creepy installation &#8220;Barbie Trashes her Dream [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to see hoarding stuff as conceptually different from &#039;clutter&#039; like TR means it. I mean if I have a lot of icons on my desktop, I know that represents a lot of half finished tasks and so that can be stressful, and I aim for a minimalist desktop (this also applies to post-its on computor monitors, except some of them contain passwords and things so are semi-permanent).

And, I consider myself &#039;tidy&#039; (well tidy-ish) and am very good at using cleaning to proscrastinate writing. But, having stuff, in its place, is comforting. It doesn&#039;t matter that there is a lot of it, or that other people might see it as &#039;mess&#039; or claustraphobic. And while there are people who live in their own filth (literally not cleaning or throwing out garbage etc), a lot of hoarders are quite organised and methodical. My parents bought a house that had belonged to an old man hoarder who died. And they said he had a room full of clean but used tin cans; another of clean but used jars etc. There was vast quantities of &#039;rubbish&#039;, but it was still orderly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to see hoarding stuff as conceptually different from &#8216;clutter&#8217; like TR means it. I mean if I have a lot of icons on my desktop, I know that represents a lot of half finished tasks and so that can be stressful, and I aim for a minimalist desktop (this also applies to post-its on computor monitors, except some of them contain passwords and things so are semi-permanent).</p>
<p>And, I consider myself &#8216;tidy&#8217; (well tidy-ish) and am very good at using cleaning to proscrastinate writing. But, having stuff, in its place, is comforting. It doesn&#8217;t matter that there is a lot of it, or that other people might see it as &#8216;mess&#8217; or claustraphobic. And while there are people who live in their own filth (literally not cleaning or throwing out garbage etc), a lot of hoarders are quite organised and methodical. My parents bought a house that had belonged to an old man hoarder who died. And they said he had a room full of clean but used tin cans; another of clean but used jars etc. There was vast quantities of &#8216;rubbish&#8217;, but it was still orderly.</p>
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		<title>By: Contingent Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contingent Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent book on hoarding and the extent to which it may have biological roots (with an introductory chapter on the Collyer brothers): Stuff: Compulsive Hoarding and the Meaning of Things by Gail Steketee and Randy Frost.  They question a lot of myths/assumptions about hoarding (including that it stems from earlier deprivation and/or goes along with a basically antisocial personality), but do think that it may result from particular difficulty making decisions about what to do with/about things (which would tally with TR&#039;s observation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent book on hoarding and the extent to which it may have biological roots (with an introductory chapter on the Collyer brothers): Stuff: Compulsive Hoarding and the Meaning of Things by Gail Steketee and Randy Frost.  They question a lot of myths/assumptions about hoarding (including that it stems from earlier deprivation and/or goes along with a basically antisocial personality), but do think that it may result from particular difficulty making decisions about what to do with/about things (which would tally with TR&#8217;s observation).</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, LadyProf:  unlike some of her male relatives, she never killed anyone in a plane or car crash.  And, whatever her privilege, her natal family&#039;s history is quite sad.  She was left at a relatively young age alone as the sole survivor.  It&#039;s sad that she has no parents or siblings who remember her childhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, LadyProf:  unlike some of her male relatives, she never killed anyone in a plane or car crash.  And, whatever her privilege, her natal family&#8217;s history is quite sad.  She was left at a relatively young age alone as the sole survivor.  It&#8217;s sad that she has no parents or siblings who remember her childhood.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctorow&#039;s novel about the Collyer brothers = v. disappointing.  Many liberties taken with the record, which I guess is okay, but the saggy plot, not so okay.  SweetSue, the setup of the book precluded the true ending you mention.

Historiann, I agree that Caroline Kennedy has distinguished herself mainly by adroit cashing in.  Her brief quasi-candidacy for the U.S. Senate a few years ago made us New Yorkers cringe.  She couldn&#039;t say why she wanted the job but implied she was doing us all a big favor.  Public service, yadda yadda.  

But she seems to have a good work ethic, and I&#039;ve never read anything negative about behaviors in the Kennedy-Schlossberg household.  Plus I tend to cut Kennedy women some slack because of the intense misogyny in that extended family.  It has to have left scars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctorow&#8217;s novel about the Collyer brothers = v. disappointing.  Many liberties taken with the record, which I guess is okay, but the saggy plot, not so okay.  SweetSue, the setup of the book precluded the true ending you mention.</p>
<p>Historiann, I agree that Caroline Kennedy has distinguished herself mainly by adroit cashing in.  Her brief quasi-candidacy for the U.S. Senate a few years ago made us New Yorkers cringe.  She couldn&#8217;t say why she wanted the job but implied she was doing us all a big favor.  Public service, yadda yadda.  </p>
<p>But she seems to have a good work ethic, and I&#8217;ve never read anything negative about behaviors in the Kennedy-Schlossberg household.  Plus I tend to cut Kennedy women some slack because of the intense misogyny in that extended family.  It has to have left scars.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a horror of clutter -- which doesn&#039;t mean that my office is neat all the time.  What I have come to recognize is that clutter paralysis often results from the fact that much of that crap &lt;i&gt;actually represents a lot of half-performed or incomplete little tasks.&lt;/i&gt; Hence, decluttering often frees my mind to write because I am not nagged by the reminders of these things.

Sometimes I think that blogging also represents a de-cluttering of the brain.  I either have to write about it or let it the f^ck go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a horror of clutter &#8212; which doesn&#8217;t mean that my office is neat all the time.  What I have come to recognize is that clutter paralysis often results from the fact that much of that crap <i>actually represents a lot of half-performed or incomplete little tasks.</i> Hence, decluttering often frees my mind to write because I am not nagged by the reminders of these things.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think that blogging also represents a de-cluttering of the brain.  I either have to write about it or let it the f^ck go.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweet Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I stand corrected; both Collyer brothers were found dead in their apartment. They died within days of one another because the brother with crippling arthritis couldn&#039;t bring food to the blind brother.
Shudder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I stand corrected; both Collyer brothers were found dead in their apartment. They died within days of one another because the brother with crippling arthritis couldn&#8217;t bring food to the blind brother.<br />
Shudder.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, Squadratomagico.  Chalk it up to anxiety about my clutter!  

To clarify:  I don&#039;t think that tidiness is *necessarily* a sign of a wasted life.  I guess I&#039;ve learned to live with my anxiety about my clutter, but your example of how office makeover = book progress is one I must think about seriously.  My office is the only room of our house I&#039;ve never done anything to at all--not even a lick of paint.  So I wonder if that wouldn&#039;t be a way to force a clean-up, clear-out, and help me reconnect with my research mojo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Squadratomagico.  Chalk it up to anxiety about my clutter!  </p>
<p>To clarify:  I don&#8217;t think that tidiness is *necessarily* a sign of a wasted life.  I guess I&#8217;ve learned to live with my anxiety about my clutter, but your example of how office makeover = book progress is one I must think about seriously.  My office is the only room of our house I&#8217;ve never done anything to at all&#8211;not even a lick of paint.  So I wonder if that wouldn&#8217;t be a way to force a clean-up, clear-out, and help me reconnect with my research mojo.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweet Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I never had any idea what that obscure reference was to until I learned the story about the two eccentric adult brothers who literally starved to death in their Harlem townhouse because a collapse in the piles of stuff they had collected blockaded them from the doors, or the telephone, assuming they had one. It was a big story in NYC in the late 1940s&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for reminding me of the Collyer Brothers, there&#039;s an E L Doctorow novel about them that I wanted to read but forgot about.  Nook, here I come!
My mother used to reference them, too, and the story was so fascinating. Only one of them died because of the hoarding so the other brother was living with his corpse for a while. Did you know that among the hoarded things in their apartment was an automobile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I never had any idea what that obscure reference was to until I learned the story about the two eccentric adult brothers who literally starved to death in their Harlem townhouse because a collapse in the piles of stuff they had collected blockaded them from the doors, or the telephone, assuming they had one. It was a big story in NYC in the late 1940s</i></p>
<p>Thanks for reminding me of the Collyer Brothers, there&#8217;s an E L Doctorow novel about them that I wanted to read but forgot about.  Nook, here I come!<br />
My mother used to reference them, too, and the story was so fascinating. Only one of them died because of the hoarding so the other brother was living with his corpse for a while. Did you know that among the hoarded things in their apartment was an automobile!</p>
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		<title>By: squadratomagico</title>
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		<dc:creator>squadratomagico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot think in the midst of clutter. Though I honestly don&#039;t care how other people keep their spaces, and am comfortable in cluttered homes that do not belong to me, I have a very deep horror of clutter in my own space. In fact, though I don&#039;t usually think of myself as rigid, this is one area where I would describe myself as *deeply* rigid and uncompromising. 

In fact, I had a huge writing block precisely because my study had become excessively cluttered over time. There was hardly space to move, so encrusted was the room with books, file furniture, and piles of paper. Once I cleared out that space, purchased a smaller desk, revised my book &amp; file storage to a cleaner look, I began writing again &lt;i&gt;immediately&lt;/i&gt;. I find that being anti-clutter is not just an aesthetic preference, it&#039;s actually an intellectual necessity for me. 

As I said, though, I really don&#039;t care how other people approach their own spaces. I often am surprised by how... programmatic people are in expressing their opinions about clutter. I recall a discussion in the blogosphere some time ago about how people without clutter lack soul, &amp;c. Even you, Historiann, accuse us anti-clutterers as having a &quot;wasted life&quot;! Why should you care how other people live? To each hir own!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot think in the midst of clutter. Though I honestly don&#8217;t care how other people keep their spaces, and am comfortable in cluttered homes that do not belong to me, I have a very deep horror of clutter in my own space. In fact, though I don&#8217;t usually think of myself as rigid, this is one area where I would describe myself as *deeply* rigid and uncompromising. </p>
<p>In fact, I had a huge writing block precisely because my study had become excessively cluttered over time. There was hardly space to move, so encrusted was the room with books, file furniture, and piles of paper. Once I cleared out that space, purchased a smaller desk, revised my book &amp; file storage to a cleaner look, I began writing again <i>immediately</i>. I find that being anti-clutter is not just an aesthetic preference, it&#8217;s actually an intellectual necessity for me. </p>
<p>As I said, though, I really don&#8217;t care how other people approach their own spaces. I often am surprised by how&#8230; programmatic people are in expressing their opinions about clutter. I recall a discussion in the blogosphere some time ago about how people without clutter lack soul, &amp;c. Even you, Historiann, accuse us anti-clutterers as having a &#8220;wasted life&#8221;! Why should you care how other people live? To each hir own!</p>
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