Comments on: New Year’s Roundup: Plus ca change edition http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:25:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Everyone Jump on the Link love « Grumpy rumblings of the untenured http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-942506 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:58:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-942506 [...] This article makes my head asplode: Obesity — it’s Mom’s Fault! Practically every single sentence makes me want to point out three different things wrong with it.  I thought about doing a longer critique but then I realized it wasn’t worth writing 50 pages about why someone is wrong on the internet.  Historiann discusses it here. [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-941522 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:08:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-941522 I agree! I’m glad you read it. I hope everyone still following this thread will read it.

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-941486 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:51:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-941486 That link just above this comment? Good stuff, and thoughtfully done.

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By: Blogs http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-941403 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:52:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-941403 Is Grandma to Blame for Obesity Today?…

In her recent “New Year’s Roundup” post, Historiann pointed out an article on obesity that appeared in The Denver Post. As the title suggests, Shari Roan’s article, “1950s Women May Have Triggered Obesity Epidemic,” …

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-941366 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:36:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-941366 Well, I’m late to the party here (catching up on my favorite blogs after getting back in to town), but about that pregnancy – obesity business. There are a zillion problems with the NYT article. Another one is the definition of “fat.” There can be real problems at, say, a hundred pounds overweight. But women see an article about fat, think they’re twenty pounds over, and decide “OMG that’s about me.” Uh, no. But if the NYT actually cared about health, they’d publish articles that sound like something in the New England Journal of Medicine but with shorter words. What are the chances of that?

Kind of OT, but another issue associated with the recent rise of obesity is one of my pet peeves. The big question is “what’s changed?” Yes, more fast food. Yes, much more advertising for fast food. But another biggie that’s rarely mentioned is endocrine disruptor pollutants spread through the environment. These substances are similar enough to hormones (thyroid hormones, sex hormones, etc.) to have an effect on the body, but not a normal effect. They change metabolism, fat deposition, and other related processes. And they have been increasingly distributed in water and food only in the last few decades.

Of course, cleaning that up would require top to bottom changes in whole industries. Much easier to tell women to diet.

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By: comparatrice http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-940989 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:12:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-940989 So… “In 2009, the Institute of Medicine introduced limits on how much weight an obese woman should gain during pregnancy; critics felt the board should have gone further.”

and

“Women in the 1950s and 1960s — think Betty Draper on the hit TV show “Mad Men​” — were generally advised to restrict weight gain in pregnancy to as little as 10 pounds. Inadequate nutrition in some of these women could easily have programmed their babies to catch up on growth during infancy — and studies suggest such growth spurts increase the risk of later obesity.”

Well, this seems to be headed in a good direction for everyone. But then, I’m not very sophisticated in certain ways and haven’t gotten past “fat women shouldn’t breed” into the realm of argument and reasoned discourse. That’s the kind of thing that ought to shut down polite conversation a lot faster than it ever does.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-940386 Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:30:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-940386 Excellent point, cgeye. I’ve made the same fat-crack connection here a few years ago, as you may recall. For some elites, obesity is the big taboo.

I had to wonder about all of the advice to fat women not to have children until they’ve lost weight. Transhistorically, it’s low body weight women who suffer amenorrhea and the inability to conceive.

What does it say that the “feminine ideal” body of our age is probably an anovular/amenorreahc teenage model? It’s the same culture that claims to value children, but refuses to pay for decent schools and parks for everyone, and permits so many of them to live in food deserts blighted by industrial pollution.

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-939645 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:10:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-939645 “Women should breast-feed for at least six months after childbirth or — better yet — take one year off from work and breast-feed.”

Please, please, Dr H., may I use the C-word, since this “scientist” is so damn essentialist she should wear a vulva uniform?

But TPP coming out as a fat woman was essential — so much of the anti-obesity rhetoric, spearheaded by Times columnists, is fat-person-bashing, as if the drive to demonize crack babies grew up to target DM2 poster children. It’s one thing to prescribe behavior for others, and another to testify about ones’ self and struggles.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-939376 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:56:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-939376 A historian. Really.

And those silly women in the 1950s, doing what doctors tell them to do.

To follow Mary Catherine, it’s important to add that Thatcher had a rich husband.

Happy new year!

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By: Canuck Down South http://www.historiann.com/2012/01/02/new-years-roundup-plus-ca-change-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-938999 Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:25:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17640#comment-938999 The second sentence should read “it only seems to be used to describe the profession”–my apologies for poorly-edited late-night comments!

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