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		<title>By: Tuesday Teasers: Stuff I&#8217;ve Been Reading [#2] - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday Teasers: Stuff I&#8217;ve Been Reading [#2] - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lind @ Hitchens, gossip columnist of genius. (via Historiann). If you&#8217;ve found yourself wondering what&#8217;s with all the post-mortem Hitchens love, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This blog is irreverent with respect to death...&quot;

Fair enough, and when you put it that way, my point about a decent lapse of time now strikes me as wrong. As a public figure (whether or not a public intellectual, on which point we differ), Hitchens is certainly fair game for criticism. And I certainly don&#039;t recommend you start writing reverent encomiums to the recently departed (which I doubt you have any inclination to do...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This blog is irreverent with respect to death&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough, and when you put it that way, my point about a decent lapse of time now strikes me as wrong. As a public figure (whether or not a public intellectual, on which point we differ), Hitchens is certainly fair game for criticism. And I certainly don&#8217;t recommend you start writing reverent encomiums to the recently departed (which I doubt you have any inclination to do&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: AGR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Catherine, I agree with almost all you have written here on this subject. Thanks. Not that it should matter to your own sensibilities and standards (or my own, for that matter) but I do not think Christopher would have expected anyone to pull punches in their criticisms of him after his death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Catherine, I agree with almost all you have written here on this subject. Thanks. Not that it should matter to your own sensibilities and standards (or my own, for that matter) but I do not think Christopher would have expected anyone to pull punches in their criticisms of him after his death.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good case for Hitchens as a public intellectual.  I don&#039;t buy it, but it&#039;s a good case.  

This blog is irreverent with respect to death.   (Historians are generally speaking irreverent about death, otherwise it would be difficult to write anything honest about any dead person, and that&#039;s usually who we write about.)  The death of a writer makes it timely to write about him, and blogs are usually driven by current events and other commentary in the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good case for Hitchens as a public intellectual.  I don&#8217;t buy it, but it&#8217;s a good case.  </p>
<p>This blog is irreverent with respect to death.   (Historians are generally speaking irreverent about death, otherwise it would be difficult to write anything honest about any dead person, and that&#8217;s usually who we write about.)  The death of a writer makes it timely to write about him, and blogs are usually driven by current events and other commentary in the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clearly have a broader definition of &quot;public intellectual&quot; than that put forth by Lind (and here endorsed by Historiann), but even with my looser and less rigorous criteria, I guess I&#039;d have to draw the line against an equation of Hitchens with Goebbels as an intellectually serious intervention in public discourse. C&#039;mon, Sweet Sue, really? It&#039;s like you&#039;ve never heard of Godwin&#039;s law...

Historiann, I agree with you that Hitchens on Michelle Obama was a lazy hit-piece, and a despicable piece of work at best. Certainly, his neo-con turn brought out the worst in him. Or, perhaps, allowed his former &#039;allies&#039;, now &#039;enemies,&#039; to see what had been wrong with his approach all along (he loved to have &#039;enemies,&#039; did Hitchens, and he was almost never fair to them). But back when he was a regular columnist for the Nation, pre-911 and etc., many an American liberal/lefty was more than happy to forgive him his rhetorical excesses, and to count Hitch amongst their ranks, and we never heard as how he wasn&#039;t &#039;really&#039; an intellectual.

What I mean is: why not say that Hitchens was a public intellectual who could be a real asshole sometimes, and who sometimes got it all really wrong? What is gained by saying, &#039;Well, he wasn&#039;t *really* a public intellectual at all, of course, since he got X, Y or Z really wrong?&#039; That just makes it sound as though a certain stance toward X, Y, or Z is a litmus test for &#039;intellectualism,&#039; really, which the public may not stand for, you know, and the next thing you know: you&#039;ve got Rush Limbaugh as &#039;public intellectual,&#039; which is ten times worse than Hitchens, surely.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s true that he had no intellectual values, btw. I think he was anti-totalitarian all the way, to the best of his lights and his abilities (which sometimes failed to meet his somewhat exalted notions of his own self, admittedly). That anti-totalitarian streak underpinned his atheism (and it&#039;s not nothing to stand for atheism in contemporary America, I think), and also his post-911 neo-con turn (he made the mistake of thinking that a loose coalition of non-state actors should and could be equated with a modern nation-state: that was the substance of his &#039;Islamo-fascism&#039; = Nazism error, and it was pretty serious mistake, I believe, and a major violation of Godwin&#039;s law).

But his public debates over the existence of God are enough to place him in the category of &#039;public intellectual,&#039; so far as I am concerned. Do I believe that an academic philosopher in the pro-existence of God camp, such as Alasdair Macintyre, say, would have been quaking in his boots at the thought of debating Hitch? No, not really, not at all; but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s not really the point. And I&#039;m struck by how many Christians against whom Hitchens directed his ire and his snark have only good things to say about him (though not about ideas, naturally enough). &#039;We think he was wrong [and we pray for the eternal repose of his soul, and etc.], but he talked to us, we had something of a rapport, he argued with us only because he took us seriously.&#039; 

Also, dude died of cancer, and suffered greatly for about a year before his untimely death, and it&#039;s unseemly, imho, to do any sort of &quot;gotcha&quot; for three or four months afterwards at the very least. Myself, I&#039;d want to think that his soul was safely at rest, just a matter of common decency...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clearly have a broader definition of &#8220;public intellectual&#8221; than that put forth by Lind (and here endorsed by Historiann), but even with my looser and less rigorous criteria, I guess I&#8217;d have to draw the line against an equation of Hitchens with Goebbels as an intellectually serious intervention in public discourse. C&#8217;mon, Sweet Sue, really? It&#8217;s like you&#8217;ve never heard of Godwin&#8217;s law&#8230;</p>
<p>Historiann, I agree with you that Hitchens on Michelle Obama was a lazy hit-piece, and a despicable piece of work at best. Certainly, his neo-con turn brought out the worst in him. Or, perhaps, allowed his former &#8216;allies&#8217;, now &#8216;enemies,&#8217; to see what had been wrong with his approach all along (he loved to have &#8216;enemies,&#8217; did Hitchens, and he was almost never fair to them). But back when he was a regular columnist for the Nation, pre-911 and etc., many an American liberal/lefty was more than happy to forgive him his rhetorical excesses, and to count Hitch amongst their ranks, and we never heard as how he wasn&#8217;t &#8216;really&#8217; an intellectual.</p>
<p>What I mean is: why not say that Hitchens was a public intellectual who could be a real asshole sometimes, and who sometimes got it all really wrong? What is gained by saying, &#8216;Well, he wasn&#8217;t *really* a public intellectual at all, of course, since he got X, Y or Z really wrong?&#8217; That just makes it sound as though a certain stance toward X, Y, or Z is a litmus test for &#8216;intellectualism,&#8217; really, which the public may not stand for, you know, and the next thing you know: you&#8217;ve got Rush Limbaugh as &#8216;public intellectual,&#8217; which is ten times worse than Hitchens, surely.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s true that he had no intellectual values, btw. I think he was anti-totalitarian all the way, to the best of his lights and his abilities (which sometimes failed to meet his somewhat exalted notions of his own self, admittedly). That anti-totalitarian streak underpinned his atheism (and it&#8217;s not nothing to stand for atheism in contemporary America, I think), and also his post-911 neo-con turn (he made the mistake of thinking that a loose coalition of non-state actors should and could be equated with a modern nation-state: that was the substance of his &#8216;Islamo-fascism&#8217; = Nazism error, and it was pretty serious mistake, I believe, and a major violation of Godwin&#8217;s law).</p>
<p>But his public debates over the existence of God are enough to place him in the category of &#8216;public intellectual,&#8217; so far as I am concerned. Do I believe that an academic philosopher in the pro-existence of God camp, such as Alasdair Macintyre, say, would have been quaking in his boots at the thought of debating Hitch? No, not really, not at all; but I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s not really the point. And I&#8217;m struck by how many Christians against whom Hitchens directed his ire and his snark have only good things to say about him (though not about ideas, naturally enough). &#8216;We think he was wrong [and we pray for the eternal repose of his soul, and etc.], but he talked to us, we had something of a rapport, he argued with us only because he took us seriously.&#8217; </p>
<p>Also, dude died of cancer, and suffered greatly for about a year before his untimely death, and it&#8217;s unseemly, imho, to do any sort of &#8220;gotcha&#8221; for three or four months afterwards at the very least. Myself, I&#8217;d want to think that his soul was safely at rest, just a matter of common decency&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AGR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that he did more than write gossip and play the contrarian. He wrote excellent book reviews in The Atlantic. His essays in Grand Street during its heyday were marvelous. And there were pieces  in other publications over the years. He wrote a lot, but people tend to fixate on Vanity Fair and, perhaps, Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that he did more than write gossip and play the contrarian. He wrote excellent book reviews in The Atlantic. His essays in Grand Street during its heyday were marvelous. And there were pieces  in other publications over the years. He wrote a lot, but people tend to fixate on Vanity Fair and, perhaps, Slate.</p>
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		<title>By: Public intellectual William Lloyd Garrison on the so-called &#8220;Founding Fathers&#8221; and historic preservation : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Public intellectual William Lloyd Garrison on the so-called &#8220;Founding Fathers&#8221; and historic preservation : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] make up for my previous cheapskatery and also to support the cause of public history in Boston.  Per the conversation going on in the previous post about who or what is a public intellectual, I was struck by comments about the movement to save Old South Meeting House by the 70 year [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] make up for my previous cheapskatery and also to support the cause of public history in Boston.  Per the conversation going on in the previous post about who or what is a public intellectual, I was struck by comments about the movement to save Old South Meeting House by the 70 year [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything necessarily academic about expecting people to be competent and knowlegeable about &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;.  As Lind suggests, journalists are also candidates for the category of &quot;public intellectual,&quot; but they have to do some real research and reporting.  

Here are people I would put in the category of public intellectual who have no connection whatsoever to graduate school or the academy, as far as I know:  Frances FitzGerald, Joan Didion, Laurie Garrett, Chris Hedges, and hell--even Hunter S. Thompson, in his day.  (This is just a handful of people at the top of my mind now--I&#039;m sure I could list 20 given more time to think.)  All of these folks have written book after book based on solid reporting and serious reflection.  Opinions will vary about the quality of Hitchens&#039;s work--maybe some of you like it, I don&#039;t know.  But I thought Lind&#039;s point that being a public intellectual requires more than peddling gossip and writing &quot;contrarian&quot; hit pieces on contemporary celebrities was a worthy one.

What did Hitchens stand for, aside from heavy drinking, gossiping, and (in the end) atheism?  Call me a snob, if you like, but that&#039;s not really a coherent intellectual agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything necessarily academic about expecting people to be competent and knowlegeable about <i>something</i>.  As Lind suggests, journalists are also candidates for the category of &#8220;public intellectual,&#8221; but they have to do some real research and reporting.  </p>
<p>Here are people I would put in the category of public intellectual who have no connection whatsoever to graduate school or the academy, as far as I know:  Frances FitzGerald, Joan Didion, Laurie Garrett, Chris Hedges, and hell&#8211;even Hunter S. Thompson, in his day.  (This is just a handful of people at the top of my mind now&#8211;I&#8217;m sure I could list 20 given more time to think.)  All of these folks have written book after book based on solid reporting and serious reflection.  Opinions will vary about the quality of Hitchens&#8217;s work&#8211;maybe some of you like it, I don&#8217;t know.  But I thought Lind&#8217;s point that being a public intellectual requires more than peddling gossip and writing &#8220;contrarian&#8221; hit pieces on contemporary celebrities was a worthy one.</p>
<p>What did Hitchens stand for, aside from heavy drinking, gossiping, and (in the end) atheism?  Call me a snob, if you like, but that&#8217;s not really a coherent intellectual agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Canuck Down South</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canuck Down South</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve followed this discussion with increasing skepticism over the past few days, especially regarding the differing definitions of &quot;public intellectual.&quot;  While I completely agree that Hitchens personally argued for some highly questionable positions, what I&#039;m most skeptical about is the way that this discussion has represented the role of the public intellectual: I&#039;m particularly leery of the idea that an intellectual must somehow produce new knowledge, rather than simply commenting on it (like Christopher Hitchens and other members of the commentariat do).  The imperative to produce knowledge is the imperative of an academic or a professor, and I think should not be imposing our professional academic standards on the broader categorical definition of an &quot;intellectual,&quot; (public or otherwise), which seems to me to be a label generous enough to encompass many kinds of intellectual engagement, whether they be academic, journalistic, artistic, etc.  

I guess what I&#039;m saying here (like Mary Catherine above), is that I&#039;m a little suspicious of the attempt to withold the label of &quot;public intellectual&quot; from someone, such as Hitchens, who wrote books, essays, spoke in debates, and generally successfully engaged readers on the issues of the day, simply because he did not conform to our academic standards regarding the production of knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed this discussion with increasing skepticism over the past few days, especially regarding the differing definitions of &#8220;public intellectual.&#8221;  While I completely agree that Hitchens personally argued for some highly questionable positions, what I&#8217;m most skeptical about is the way that this discussion has represented the role of the public intellectual: I&#8217;m particularly leery of the idea that an intellectual must somehow produce new knowledge, rather than simply commenting on it (like Christopher Hitchens and other members of the commentariat do).  The imperative to produce knowledge is the imperative of an academic or a professor, and I think should not be imposing our professional academic standards on the broader categorical definition of an &#8220;intellectual,&#8221; (public or otherwise), which seems to me to be a label generous enough to encompass many kinds of intellectual engagement, whether they be academic, journalistic, artistic, etc.  </p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying here (like Mary Catherine above), is that I&#8217;m a little suspicious of the attempt to withold the label of &#8220;public intellectual&#8221; from someone, such as Hitchens, who wrote books, essays, spoke in debates, and generally successfully engaged readers on the issues of the day, simply because he did not conform to our academic standards regarding the production of knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: AGR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we will just have to disagree about whether CH was the equivalent of Goebbels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we will just have to disagree about whether CH was the equivalent of Goebbels.</p>
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