Comments on: Excellence with money! http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:42:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Jim Perry http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-928484 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:49:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-928484 I read enough comments to see how angry this makes everyone. But what are you going to DO about it? All this ventilating is mental masturbation. It may feel good but what does it accomplish? Until university employees figure out a way to force the hands of those holding the purse strings — lawmakers in the public sector, nothing is going to change. Whining to the public will get you nowhere. Frankly, faculty are up the creek without a paddle — there are not enough faculty in the country to provoke a change. Unions are being neutered by Republican governors.

Big time football programs don’t get revenue from tuition, fees or state appropriations. They get it from ticket revenue and boosters who don’t care a bit about academics. So the 7 figure salaries of head coaches are just going to continue. Maybe the faculty can provoke a change to cause the ticket and television revenue to be diverted to faculty and staff salaries. But the chances of that are about the same of winning the lottery.

It’s a buyer’s market for faculty. We can be replaced, but that is not really an issue either, becuase rants like most of the comments above are empty. And BTW, for presumed faculty, there are a lot of assumptions made, like the coaches are going to put pressure on faculty to give underserved grades to althletes. It’s also possible they will put pressure on the athletes to be better students. (Of course that begs the question of whether football players are students at all, because Division I is just pro football’s unpaid minor leagues. Another example of exploitation, but this not of the faculty.)

Our society has misplaced priorities, plain and simple, and it simply is not going to change.

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By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924464 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:06:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924464 What really chaps my ass in that press release. The COACH gets a bonus if his players meet the graduation standard. So he’s getting a financial incentive to deputize his staffers to phone up faculty and scream at them to pass their football players that they won’t actually let come to class because they have to practice and go to away games.

It’s only even more jaw-droppingly tone-deaf when you realize that the prospective bonus he’s looking at is enough to pay the salaries of two to three full-time tenure academics.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924376 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:48:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924376 Feminist Avatar: you are brilliant. I’m going to take your suggestion. As Joan Jett once sang, “I don’t give a damn about my bad reputation.” Oh, no no no, not me me me.

I’ve spent ten years building up a reputation as a generally cheerful, cooperative company gal. I’m not viewed as a chronic complainer or a bitch, at least not by most. 2012 is going to be a new year indeed.

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By: Dr. Virago http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924331 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:36:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924331 I’m so with you on this, Historiann. Here at Rust Belt U, our apparently beloved football coach quit to take a better job (bigger U, more money, higher profile) and a national search was *immediately* announced. Meanwhile, the last Arts and Sciences dean hired in a national search stepped down *five* *years* ago and we’ve had interim-to-permanent internal or local appointments ever since. Not that internal appointments are a bad thing (though these were, actually), but the university admins crow about the importance of a national search for a football “program” of our caliber (ha! we’re Div I, but penny-ante stuff). So, where’s the search for dean, huh?

Yup, a joke run by fools.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924189 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:29:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924189 “He [Tony Frank] understands that in order to produce returns and have success, you have to make investments.”

If I were you (other than probably having been arrested for attacking the Uni President), I would get this sentence blown up into a poster and put on my door. And, everytime I was asked to do something without money, I would quote it back at them. I might even be inclined to make it my email signature.

Do you have a Union in Colorado? I’d a thought that they would use this to beat the university over the head with in any negotiation for the next decade. I always reckon if they give you rope…

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924149 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:54:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924149 Nothing to add to the general disgust, except that you – and all committed scholars and teachers – deserve better. Heck, I think it might be good to hire, oh, 15 historians at $100,000 a year. That would spend an equal amount of money to invest in people, the most important thing you can invest in, and education, the purpose of the institution.

Commiserating…

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924067 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 02:39:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924067 It’s all part of a big investment scheme, don’t you know?

What a load of horse$hit. This is as much an “investment” as those e-mails promising your share of a lost Nigerian fortune, if only you can advance the petitioner a few thousand bucks. (Is there any peer-reviewed research on investments in football teams and corresponding increases in alumni or donor support?)

Check this out:

Longtime CSU professor Charles “CW” Miller said it’s easy to tell when the university’s teams are doing well. You can feel it in the classrooms and on campus, he said.

“But it also goes the other way – if we’re losing all of the time in our big name sports, it takes the energy out of everyone,” said Miller, who has been teaching physiology on the Fort Collins campus for 41 years. “We can’t have losers all the time.”

Miller, who ran track at Purdue, said he wonders how the university can find the money to pay out Fairchild and Kowalczyk but can’t hire a Nobel Prize-winning scientist. He said it seems like universities keep ratcheting up their spending on athletics to keep up with their peers, which in turn raises the bar again.

He said universities always seem to find the money to pay coaches and build athletics facilities.

“We’ve never had a Nobel prize winner on campus,” he said. “Why not? Can we not afford them?”

Maybe the football team comes up in Physiology classes, but it never comes up in my classes. I don’t “feel” like the team’s misadventures have driven down morale–in fact, I think that morale is low because tuition has continued to rise while classes have gotten larger and while departments continue to rely on overworked adjunct faculty.

Still, Miller makes a good point. Why not invest DIRECTLY in academics in order to raise the quality of academics, instead of going for the Nigerian fortune scheme? I haven’t heard of any Nobelists who have been accused of running labs or research centers in which they used their stature to molest children, either.

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By: Undine http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924057 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:41:43 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924057 So with you on this for more reasons than i can possibly say. You have to invest in people . . . If they are coaches. Investment in people if they are faculty . . .no.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-924050 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:09:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-924050 This shit really bums me out, because I love the sport and spirit and peagantry and excitement of college football. But not at the expense of fucken education.

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By: Leslie M-B http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/14/excellence-with-money/comment-page-1/#comment-923997 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:15:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17527#comment-923997 Welcome to the Boise State model. F.U.U. indeed! Grrrrrr.

I recently did the calculations, and the football coach makes 31x my salary. This at a place that claims its major goal is to become a “metropolitan research university of distinction.”

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