Comments on: Plagiarists: I’d turn back if I were you! http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:56:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: USAJon http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1010429 Sat, 05 May 2012 16:00:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-1010429 they never took away Mr. Kings degrees from plagiarism
why..?
why is the American flag same colors as England ?
life is a steal..it is 2012 not 1912
If you have time to worrie/think about a theif, then they have robbed you of your mind space
quality work tells the tail
not shortcuts

“open door
light from
to go
to go
on and on”
this is MINE ! ! ! !
USAJon

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By: LadyTraveller http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-921725 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:32:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-921725 Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. I am looking forward to the upcoming break so I can work on my own stuff for a week or two & my only stress will be handing work in to my committee!

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By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-920099 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:30:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-920099 @Contingent Cassandra: At this point in my life, there’s really nowhere else for me to go. I’m in my late 40′s and I’ve been doing this for 15 years. Unfortunately, the only non-academic jobs I ever held were bar tender and day laborer, and my knees can’t take that anymore. And I’m not really in a position to go back to entry level, not to mention, even entry level jobs are pretty scarce these days.

And to be clear, I’ve learned how to not let the quality of my teaching suffer from my semesterly load. But yes, grading does have to become streamlined.

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By: A Plagiarism Story « Reassigned Time 2.0 http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919821 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:39:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919821 [...] Flavia posted about plagiarism earlier this week, and then Historiann picked up on it.  And I was feeling all smug because I haven’t had a plagiarist in quite some [...]

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By: Contingent Cassandra http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919814 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:21:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919814 I, too, have seen a range of reactions, including something verging on absolute panic from a student who I’m quite sure was the innocent one: her roommate had copied her paper, making a few changes. I felt awful for the innocent party, who spent exam period in a state that must have hurt her grades in other classes, but, no matter how much I reassured her that the honor process would either identify the guilty party beyond a reasonable doubt or punish no one, I couldn’t calm her down (as it turned out, I was all too right; the guilty party in fact was not penalized, and did not seem all that concerned, though I did get a nasty call from her father, which was an interesting experience; that was when I stopped giving out my home number to students).

When I used to do face-to-face confrontations, I usually got some version of stonewalling. These days, I just google the sources (or let turnitin do it for me), write up the honor violation paperwork, and email the student *after* the charge is filed. Mind you, this is on papers that are supposed to have gone through a drafting, revising, and conferencing process, and I don’t penalize anything short of wholesale theft of a single text at the draft stage; they just have to do it over again if they want to pass the class (I teach writing, so learning citation is part of the class; though they’re supposed to have some knowledge of the basics, a few show no sign of prior training). But on the final version (usually papers that I never saw in draft, or saw in extremely fragmentary form), I throw the book at them — or, rather, fill out the necessary forms and gather the documentation with a certain amount of mumbling under my breath at having to spend several hours of what would otherwise be vacation this way, but not a lot of passion. It does get easier, LadyTraveller; my first case — which basically had to go before an honor board because the student in question was unwilling to accept my authority, insisting instead that I yield to his perception of the results of a philosophical discussion he had with another (male) professor about ownership of ideas — had me tied up in knots for a while, too. Now it’s just part of the routine — unwelcome, unpleasant, but not really upsetting (except for the occasional case of an otherwise good student doing something stupid at the last minute).

@Paul: I sympathize, I really do. I’ve done 5-5 as an adjunct, and have a 4-4 (plus two in the summer) full-time but non-tenure-track gig now. But, speaking from that experience, and considering what you have admitted are the consequences for the quality of your teaching, perhaps you ought to consider another line of work? As long as you’re doing the work of 2-3 people for barely the price of one (I assume you’ve taken on that much work because that’s what you need to make a living), none of the institutions for which you work have an incentive to hire full-timers at a salary which would allow them to do basic things like hold students accountable for doing their own work.

As someone said in a blog comment a few weeks ago (exactly where, I can’t remember), in the case of higher ed, “occupy” may mean “leave.”

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By: myiq2xu http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919627 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:15:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919627 I guess it never occurs to some students that their instructor is a specialist in the field of study being taught and who has read lots of books and papers on that topic.

Not only that but unless they are a new teacher they have read lots of term papers too.

When the teacher realizes “I’ve read this before” it’s just a matter of figuring out where.

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By: DrGunPowderPlot http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919526 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:01:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919526 LadyTraveller: It does make you feel like crap, but my advice is to get over it quickly. YOU didn’t do anything wrong. I’m not trying to be harsh to you at all, only thinking that you’ve got enough on your plate right now and you do not need to be taking that kind of weight on.

Paul: 1) your load is astonishing. I don’t know how you do it. 2) H is right. It usually takes less than a minute to find the source. You could always give yourself a 2-minute limit. If you can find it in 2-minutes, great! If not, you find other things to grade down.

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By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919423 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:05:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919423 I’m an adjunct with an 8-8 load.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919420 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:56:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919420 LadyTraveller: you’ll get over the sadness pretty quickly. Anger tempered with a large dose of exasperation is about where I’m at when I see plagiarism at this stage of my career.

Paul, it’s really not that time- or labor-intensive to track down a plagiarist’s source. Because plagiarists are by definition lazy, usually the plagiarized source will be at the top of a Google search that will take you all of 0.43 seconds! Perhaps you need to think more creatively about making plagiarism-proof assignments. In most classes, I don’t ask students to write open-ended term papers on subjects of their own choosing. I force them to write on a particular subject and to use specific combinations of primary and secondary sources, and I never assign the same question & set of readings twice.

Then again, I have a 2-2 teaching load, so I can stay on top of this stuff. But people like Dr. Crazy & Tom have 4-4 loads, and they stay on top of this stuff, too.

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By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/07/plagiarists-id-turn-back-if-i-were-you/comment-page-1/#comment-919414 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:41:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17451#comment-919414 I often let papers I suspect of plagiarism go. I don’t have the time to bother tracking down the source. I’ll give them a B- when they probably expected an A, but that’s about it. Again, no time. Thing is, no one ever has complained. How do you all manage to find the time?

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