Comments on: CV etiquette question: how much is TMI? http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:51:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918600 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:05:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918600 SouthernProf: yes, I would suspect a bias in the reviews listed on the CV, but there are some unfortunates who garner only very mixed or even negative reviews, if any!

Liz2 is right–invited lectures can be junkets, but I think that’s how lecture series have always been run. (That is, I think it’s rare that someone reads a book or article by Dr. X and is so impressed by its brilliance that they invite Dr. X to come talk completely out of the blue, without any personal or prior professional connection whatsoever.)

I’ve done a few invited lectures, some more prominent than others. I use the term simply to note instances where I’m the only speaker AND instances where my participation was solicited (as opposed to being a part of a proposed conference panel or applying to be a part of a colloquium.) Only one of my invited lectures was an invitation from someone I didn’t know at all, and it was an invitation to talk about my blog!

But, what is the nature of friendship in academia? I’m friends with a prominent Native American women’s historian who invited me to give a talk to her research group, but I *think* we’re friends because we got to know each other through our work, which we respect and admire mutually, and it just so happens that we also enjoy each other personally. I don’t think she’d invite someone to her campus whose work she didn’t respect. (And I know I couldn’t be real friends with someone in academia if I didn’t respect hir work.)

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By: SouthernProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918582 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:45:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918582 Coming to this thread late, but I wanted to point out on the book review front that where a book is reviewed is mostly dependent on the press that published the book and where they send free copies. More commercially-minded presses send book review copies to more journals and newspapers as part of their marketing. True, a journal (whether “prestigious” or not) does not have to review the book, but their decision to do so depends on the perceived applicablity of that book to the journal’s mission and interests and is subject to the whims of the volunteer-labor book review editor, in most cases. So, I am far less impressed by what journals review a book then I am by what the actual reviews say, and therefore a list of reviews of one’s book on a c.v. is only useful as a finding aid (I would argue for not putting such information on the c.v.). Besides, the author of the c.v. is likely to list only reviews that are positive, I would think.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918256 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:54:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918256 H’ann – yes. I think I need some sort of public scholarship type category. These discussions are interesting.

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By: Liz2 http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918244 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:43:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918244 I’m a little cynical about the whole invited lecture thing (having brought up the job talks issue) because I know a number of people who put down “invited lectures” where they were legitimately invited, but by a grad school buddy. So were they invited because of their work? Or was it because friends wanted to get together? I have mixed feelings about this issue too.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918199 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 04:38:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918199 Z, I think there’s usually more status involved in giving an invited lecture instead of a conference paper. (I’m assuming that’s what you mean by “refereed.”) You can certainly include lectures at your own uni–depending on their content, though, you could file them under “invited lectures” or “community service/service to the uni.”

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-918196 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 04:26:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-918196 Re:

“And no, a job talk is not the same as an invited talk: I would knock those off the cv too. Srsly, do you really want a committee to know how many jobs you haven’t been chosen for?”

CPP:

“In the natural sciences, this is not a relevant distinction, and people always put their job talks on their CVs in the list of invited seminars. It is obvious which invited seminars were job talks–the ones that were in the late fall, winter, and spring of the last year of post-doctoral training–and it is informative to see where they were invited. And it says nothing about which of those job talks did or didn’t lead to offers, except–obviously–the one that was taken.”

That is really interesting. What do you humanities people say? Should we? I’ve done job talks at fancy places.

I have a related question. I gave a lecture in a series here. Not refereed: we were all asked to give lectures, so I said sure, and did. Put on vita, or not? If so, how? What I was planning: give it somewhere refereed, then put it on as that. But what do you think?

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By: Bob http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-917803 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:49:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-917803 I started getting a little bit of publicity this year and being a public advocate for the humanities is important to me. (I think we need the PR, even if we know how valuable our contributions to society are.) I have a little “media appearances/interviews” section in my CV that wasn’t there a year ago. We’ll see if it helps.

But, yeah, keep job talks off of the CV. :)

RJb

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By: Shelley http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-917771 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:56:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-917771 In the current desperate economic climate, as a non-academic writer, I say throw in everything. Throw in the kitchen sink. Maybe put the “second-tier” info in a separate section at the end, so anyone who feels an aversion to it can easily bypass it.

Good luck finding a job in corporate-owned America.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-917245 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 02:59:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-917245

And no, a job talk is not the same as an invited talk: I would knock those off the cv too. Srsly, do you really want a committee to know how many jobs you haven’t been chosen for?

In the natural sciences, this is not a relevant distinction, and people always put their job talks on their CVs in the list of invited seminars. It is obvious which invited seminars were job talks–the ones that were in the late fall, winter, and spring of the last year of post-doctoral training–and it is informative to see where they were invited. And it says nothing about which of those job talks did or didn’t lead to offers, except–obviously–the one that was taken.

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By: J. Otto Pohl http://www.historiann.com/2011/12/04/cv-etiquette-question-how-much-is-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-917068 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:09:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=17411#comment-917068 I don’t include the list of citations as part of the CV. It is sent as a separate document. It didn’t get me any interviews in the US, but I think it shows that my work has contributed to the field. It may be a sign of insecurity. But, since I am basically a nobody anyways I figured I should use anything I had to boost myself. I realize now it was all wasted effort as far as the US applications go. I don’t think it hurt me, however.

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