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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We love you, Mr. Gingrich!&#8221;  (It&#8217;s the hard knock life.)</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-911142</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t you see it.. the poor kids staying after school hours to clean up after the rich kids. As if class distinction isn&#039;t already hard enough to deal with in K-12.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t you see it.. the poor kids staying after school hours to clean up after the rich kids. As if class distinction isn&#8217;t already hard enough to deal with in K-12.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909645</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz2:  the alternative headline I considered for this post was &quot;the return of iron collar labor&quot;

(But I thought that was a little too glib, even for me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz2:  the alternative headline I considered for this post was &#8220;the return of iron collar labor&#8221;</p>
<p>(But I thought that was a little too glib, even for me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Liz2</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909643</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, we were all such fools, if only those stupid yankees hadn&#039;t gotten rid of slavery...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, we were all such fools, if only those stupid yankees hadn&#8217;t gotten rid of slavery&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909520</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, sir. I want some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, sir. I want some more.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909405</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting schoolchildren to work has the clearly intentional added bonus of throwing more union jobs out the window &amp; putting more adults on the unemployment rolls. So it&#039;s a two-fer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting schoolchildren to work has the clearly intentional added bonus of throwing more union jobs out the window &#038; putting more adults on the unemployment rolls. So it&#8217;s a two-fer!</p>
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		<title>By: Contingent Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909379</link>
		<dc:creator>Contingent Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think that middle-class children, at least, would benefit from scrubbing a few more toilets (and performing other chores that benefit their families) and playing a bit less soccer, and wouldn&#039;t even mind seeing that extended, in a small way, to the schools (we used to have jobs like clapping erasers, tidying book corners, and emptying the trash, all of which seem reasonable to me, though I suppose clapping erasers would now be out on several grounds).  It&#039;s basic training in contributing the common good of a community of which one is a part.  

But that&#039;s not what Newt has in mind at all; instead, as others have pointed out, he&#039;s targeting those who are most likely to already have some experience with contributing to the general welfare, at least of their own families (if nothing else, poor children are more likely to have babysat younger relatives, fed themselves, taken on paying jobs relatively early in life, etc., etc.).  Also -- it&#039;s pretty clear that Newt was not the primary caregiver for his own children, or the primary homemaker in his own home(s).  If he had been, he&#039;d know that it&#039;s often more work to get a child to do something than to do it yourself, and that therefore you insist on the child doing it in order to drive home the principles mentioned above, and to give the child a chance at experiencing mastery, competence, and justified self-esteem, not for the sake of getting the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think that middle-class children, at least, would benefit from scrubbing a few more toilets (and performing other chores that benefit their families) and playing a bit less soccer, and wouldn&#8217;t even mind seeing that extended, in a small way, to the schools (we used to have jobs like clapping erasers, tidying book corners, and emptying the trash, all of which seem reasonable to me, though I suppose clapping erasers would now be out on several grounds).  It&#8217;s basic training in contributing the common good of a community of which one is a part.  </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what Newt has in mind at all; instead, as others have pointed out, he&#8217;s targeting those who are most likely to already have some experience with contributing to the general welfare, at least of their own families (if nothing else, poor children are more likely to have babysat younger relatives, fed themselves, taken on paying jobs relatively early in life, etc., etc.).  Also &#8212; it&#8217;s pretty clear that Newt was not the primary caregiver for his own children, or the primary homemaker in his own home(s).  If he had been, he&#8217;d know that it&#8217;s often more work to get a child to do something than to do it yourself, and that therefore you insist on the child doing it in order to drive home the principles mentioned above, and to give the child a chance at experiencing mastery, competence, and justified self-esteem, not for the sake of getting the job done.</p>
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		<title>By: Perpetua</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909354</link>
		<dc:creator>Perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The absolute grossest part of that article is where Mr. Gingrich claims that the process of scrubbing toilets will be the catalyst for poor children of color to &quot;begin the process of rising.&quot;  I think I threw up in my mouth when I read that.  It&#039;s breath-taking how clear he is that exploitative child labor will improve the moral character of the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absolute grossest part of that article is where Mr. Gingrich claims that the process of scrubbing toilets will be the catalyst for poor children of color to &#8220;begin the process of rising.&#8221;  I think I threw up in my mouth when I read that.  It&#8217;s breath-taking how clear he is that exploitative child labor will improve the moral character of the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan: &quot;Well, you can tell how long he’s been out of the classroom because he things it would be just fine for the students to work 20 hours a week.&quot;

Yup.

And Belle: we have the technology these days. The Republicans just have to remember to call clones &quot;snow babies&quot; (or whatever the term is) and we&#039;re all set to start producing Bokhanovsky Twins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan: &#8220;Well, you can tell how long he’s been out of the classroom because he things it would be just fine for the students to work 20 hours a week.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup.</p>
<p>And Belle: we have the technology these days. The Republicans just have to remember to call clones &#8220;snow babies&#8221; (or whatever the term is) and we&#8217;re all set to start producing Bokhanovsky Twins.</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you kill the poor, who will do Newt&#039;s laundry? Mow his yard? Sweep his streets? Wouldn&#039;t it be easier - and cheaper - to just breed such workers on a pig-farm model? That way is ever so much easier for Newt &amp; Co. And wow, could we save money! One doesn&#039;t need educated poor, one needs subservient poor.

That Newt &amp; Co are the leading stories on the news is an indicator of just how uncritical the American public has become. Entertainment is far more important than substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you kill the poor, who will do Newt&#8217;s laundry? Mow his yard? Sweep his streets? Wouldn&#8217;t it be easier &#8211; and cheaper &#8211; to just breed such workers on a pig-farm model? That way is ever so much easier for Newt &amp; Co. And wow, could we save money! One doesn&#8217;t need educated poor, one needs subservient poor.</p>
<p>That Newt &amp; Co are the leading stories on the news is an indicator of just how uncritical the American public has become. Entertainment is far more important than substance.</p>
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		<title>By: shaz</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/11/21/we-love-you-mr-gingrich-its-the-hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-909131</link>
		<dc:creator>shaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Newt will offer free online courses while President!  Cause he&#039;s a historian, ya know.  Maybe the kiddies can watch him while they scrub the toilets, and then they won&#039;t even have to bother with going to actual classes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Newt will offer free online courses while President!  Cause he&#8217;s a historian, ya know.  Maybe the kiddies can watch him while they scrub the toilets, and then they won&#8217;t even have to bother with going to actual classes!</p>
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