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	<title>Comments on: Dressing for a job interview?  Just dress for the conference.</title>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% about inappropriate footwear. I see so many women who have nice clothes on at job fairs but are still wearing sandals!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% about inappropriate footwear. I see so many women who have nice clothes on at job fairs but are still wearing sandals!!</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s New at University of Venus 15 October 2011 &#171; University of Venus</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s New at University of Venus 15 October 2011 &#171; University of Venus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee Skallerup Bessette offers advice on how to dress for your job interview for less. Historiann responds. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greenapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This advice actually makes life more complicated for everyone.  Just wear a suit, people.  Don&#039;t make yourself crazier by researching the wardrobe culture of your prospective school(s).  

It&#039;s not that complicated.  It&#039;s like a uniform.  And no, it may not be a 100% fit with your colleagues (or at least the colleagues at School X who may inexplicably favor shorts and birkenstocks), but you can&#039;t quite make a mistake either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This advice actually makes life more complicated for everyone.  Just wear a suit, people.  Don&#8217;t make yourself crazier by researching the wardrobe culture of your prospective school(s).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that complicated.  It&#8217;s like a uniform.  And no, it may not be a 100% fit with your colleagues (or at least the colleagues at School X who may inexplicably favor shorts and birkenstocks), but you can&#8217;t quite make a mistake either.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dress rehersal is a pretty good idea--but if you buy clothes that fit (and shoes that fit, too), they won&#039;t need a &quot;break-in&quot; period.  

Great advice on the trim fit.  Thanks for the insider perspective on men&#039;s clothing, Matt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dress rehersal is a pretty good idea&#8211;but if you buy clothes that fit (and shoes that fit, too), they won&#8217;t need a &#8220;break-in&#8221; period.  </p>
<p>Great advice on the trim fit.  Thanks for the insider perspective on men&#8217;s clothing, Matt!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, Gentlemen, Dudes, lend me your ears...  A dress shirt in the wrong size will make you look goofy: either you won&#039;t be able to button the collar, you&#039;ll look like Lurch from the Adams Family or you shirt tales will puff out so you look like the Michelin man.

Please do make sure that you buy shirts that fit you. Even if you are going to buy some off the sale rack, or in a thrift store, first go to an upscale department store and have your measurements taken. Be sure to write down, chest, neck and sleeve length. There is some variability in the accuracy of these measurements between manufacturers, but they are close enough. Be sure to try the shirt before you buy. 

Second, if you plan on wearing a dress shirt without a suit coat or a sports coat, consider spending a little more to buy the &#039;trim fit&#039; shirts. They look better with chinos, slacks and jeans. Even better, they are not just made for skinny guys. If you buy the right chest size, they even fit those of us who are a little thicker around the middle than we should be. 

And I really like the advice given up thread and in the post. Make sure you feel comfortable in the clothes you wear to the interview. Wear your suit or interview outfit multiple times to teach in and to present in, even if you are a little over dressed for the occasion. This dress rehearsal will let you iron out the bugs in your clothes and help you make sure you are wearing the right size of everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, Gentlemen, Dudes, lend me your ears&#8230;  A dress shirt in the wrong size will make you look goofy: either you won&#8217;t be able to button the collar, you&#8217;ll look like Lurch from the Adams Family or you shirt tales will puff out so you look like the Michelin man.</p>
<p>Please do make sure that you buy shirts that fit you. Even if you are going to buy some off the sale rack, or in a thrift store, first go to an upscale department store and have your measurements taken. Be sure to write down, chest, neck and sleeve length. There is some variability in the accuracy of these measurements between manufacturers, but they are close enough. Be sure to try the shirt before you buy. </p>
<p>Second, if you plan on wearing a dress shirt without a suit coat or a sports coat, consider spending a little more to buy the &#8216;trim fit&#8217; shirts. They look better with chinos, slacks and jeans. Even better, they are not just made for skinny guys. If you buy the right chest size, they even fit those of us who are a little thicker around the middle than we should be. </p>
<p>And I really like the advice given up thread and in the post. Make sure you feel comfortable in the clothes you wear to the interview. Wear your suit or interview outfit multiple times to teach in and to present in, even if you are a little over dressed for the occasion. This dress rehearsal will let you iron out the bugs in your clothes and help you make sure you are wearing the right size of everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 05:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I finished the PhD, I decided that I would never wear a !@#$@ tie again. That&#039;s it. I&#039;m done with the damned nooses. There is not enough pay out there to make me wear a tie again. It&#039;s not principle, it&#039;s disgust. It&#039;s my weird thing.

Interview: Blue blazer, solid button-down color shirt with collar, immaculate khakis, new dress shoes, dark socks. Yes, I have to actually decide about the socks.

Teachies: Well-loved, worn down tweed sport coat that is immediately draped over a chair, like I&#039;m frickin&#039; Fred Rogers, khakis, some combination of socks and foot covering that is not sandal related. Occasional baseball cap to be doffed, if doffed is the word I&#039;m looking for, when I reach the classroom. Occasional ceramic necklace with space alien medallion or WWII 103d Infantry patch on it, depending on the topic (I teach lit classes about WWII and conspiracy theory). Would consider the space alien medallion for an interview (I would, of course, have a story about it and demonstrate that it is actually sort of consistent with my research and teaching agendas). A computer bag with only a notepad in it completes the effect. :)

In interviews, candidates have relatively little information about what&#039;s going on in the heads of the people making decisions. I have a feeling that folks get superstitious about the tiny, insignificant things they happen to have control over. Not worth it. 

RJB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I finished the PhD, I decided that I would never wear a !@#$@ tie again. That&#8217;s it. I&#8217;m done with the damned nooses. There is not enough pay out there to make me wear a tie again. It&#8217;s not principle, it&#8217;s disgust. It&#8217;s my weird thing.</p>
<p>Interview: Blue blazer, solid button-down color shirt with collar, immaculate khakis, new dress shoes, dark socks. Yes, I have to actually decide about the socks.</p>
<p>Teachies: Well-loved, worn down tweed sport coat that is immediately draped over a chair, like I&#8217;m frickin&#8217; Fred Rogers, khakis, some combination of socks and foot covering that is not sandal related. Occasional baseball cap to be doffed, if doffed is the word I&#8217;m looking for, when I reach the classroom. Occasional ceramic necklace with space alien medallion or WWII 103d Infantry patch on it, depending on the topic (I teach lit classes about WWII and conspiracy theory). Would consider the space alien medallion for an interview (I would, of course, have a story about it and demonstrate that it is actually sort of consistent with my research and teaching agendas). A computer bag with only a notepad in it completes the effect. <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In interviews, candidates have relatively little information about what&#8217;s going on in the heads of the people making decisions. I have a feeling that folks get superstitious about the tiny, insignificant things they happen to have control over. Not worth it. </p>
<p>RJB</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever shoes you wear, makes sure they are polished, re-heeled and resoled.  There&#039;s nothing that makes a person look unprosperous than being, well, down at heel.

My mother always said this, and I think it&#039;s true.  Plus, sitting on those damn couches, you can&#039;t help but focus on shoes.

I don&#039;t think trans- or cis-men ncessarily need to wear ties.  A nice sweater under a jacket is perfectly nice, although passing from one temp zone to another can be tricky.

The Radical -- who is gendered somewhere in the middle of whatever genders folks are aware of, regardless of how few that might be, -- always wears black, black, black, and black.  It strikes a good note between &quot;ick I don&#039;t wear grrrl clothes&quot;and &quot;I am being formal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever shoes you wear, makes sure they are polished, re-heeled and resoled.  There&#8217;s nothing that makes a person look unprosperous than being, well, down at heel.</p>
<p>My mother always said this, and I think it&#8217;s true.  Plus, sitting on those damn couches, you can&#8217;t help but focus on shoes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think trans- or cis-men ncessarily need to wear ties.  A nice sweater under a jacket is perfectly nice, although passing from one temp zone to another can be tricky.</p>
<p>The Radical &#8212; who is gendered somewhere in the middle of whatever genders folks are aware of, regardless of how few that might be, &#8212; always wears black, black, black, and black.  It strikes a good note between &#8220;ick I don&#8217;t wear grrrl clothes&#8221;and &#8220;I am being formal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kira--the focus here is on convention interviews because that was the focus of the original article.  I just added my two cents that fitting in with the rest of the conference is a reasonable way to approach dressing for a conference interview.

I&#039;d say that paying attention to the clothing of the interviewers who may call you back for an on-campus interview is a really smart thing to do.  Did the men wear jackets and ties?  Did the women wear suits, or less constructed/funkier looks?  Did it look like they made an effort, or were they complete slobs?  Take your cues from them--unless they were complete slobs of course.  In that case, I&#039;d aim higher.

I personally like individuality in clothing, but I don&#039;t hire people for their fashion sense.  After all, a dark suit with changes of blouses/sweaters/shirts make a great deal of sense for a travel wardrobe of limited size and complexity, especially when one is interviewing in most places in North America in winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kira&#8211;the focus here is on convention interviews because that was the focus of the original article.  I just added my two cents that fitting in with the rest of the conference is a reasonable way to approach dressing for a conference interview.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that paying attention to the clothing of the interviewers who may call you back for an on-campus interview is a really smart thing to do.  Did the men wear jackets and ties?  Did the women wear suits, or less constructed/funkier looks?  Did it look like they made an effort, or were they complete slobs?  Take your cues from them&#8211;unless they were complete slobs of course.  In that case, I&#8217;d aim higher.</p>
<p>I personally like individuality in clothing, but I don&#8217;t hire people for their fashion sense.  After all, a dark suit with changes of blouses/sweaters/shirts make a great deal of sense for a travel wardrobe of limited size and complexity, especially when one is interviewing in most places in North America in winter.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kira, what&#039;s been said works for on campus as well as conference interviews.   I think some funky jewelry, or patterned tights are fine: I&#039;d read those as saying, &quot;I know what&#039;s expected but I&#039;m really an interesting person!&quot;  At least that&#039;s what I always meant by my flashes of color or whatever. The key, as Indyanna noted, is that you want people to pay attention to what you are saying, not to what you&#039;re wearing.  Suit or separates can work  fine.   I suggest a jacket just because room temperatures vary, and you want to be prepared!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kira, what&#8217;s been said works for on campus as well as conference interviews.   I think some funky jewelry, or patterned tights are fine: I&#8217;d read those as saying, &#8220;I know what&#8217;s expected but I&#8217;m really an interesting person!&#8221;  At least that&#8217;s what I always meant by my flashes of color or whatever. The key, as Indyanna noted, is that you want people to pay attention to what you are saying, not to what you&#8217;re wearing.  Suit or separates can work  fine.   I suggest a jacket just because room temperatures vary, and you want to be prepared!</p>
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		<title>By: kira</title>
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		<dc:creator>kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of this conversation seems to focus on AHA interviews, preliminary interviews... but what about on-campus interviews?  Like, people on search committees: do you want a candidate to be wearing a suit?  A blazer?  Do funky jewelry and/or patterned tights and/or clothes with some character detract from how seriously a candidate gets taken?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of this conversation seems to focus on AHA interviews, preliminary interviews&#8230; but what about on-campus interviews?  Like, people on search committees: do you want a candidate to be wearing a suit?  A blazer?  Do funky jewelry and/or patterned tights and/or clothes with some character detract from how seriously a candidate gets taken?</p>
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