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	<title>Comments on: White women&#8217;s political work:  still impulsive, never strategic</title>
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		<title>By: What part of &#8220;no solicitors&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/08/18/white-womens-political-work-still-impulsive-never-strategic/comment-page-1/#comment-861625</link>
		<dc:creator>What part of &#8220;no solicitors&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will think I&#8217;m a b!tch.  (I know:  and this is a problem I should worry about?  I need to butch up, especially since I came out as a lesbian earlier this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will think I&#8217;m a b!tch.  (I know:  and this is a problem I should worry about?  I need to butch up, especially since I came out as a lesbian earlier this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/08/18/white-womens-political-work-still-impulsive-never-strategic/comment-page-1/#comment-861621</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still haven&#039;t seen documentation of O&#039;Donnell&#039;s claim that Morgan was asking her about &quot;sex.&quot;  He was asking her about gay marriage and Don&#039;t Ask/Don&#039;t Tell--not about HER sex life.  If there is a clip or a transcript that shows otherwise, I&#039;d be most grateful if someone would throw the link in the thread here.

I think it&#039;s perfectly fine for pols who turn OTHER people&#039;s sex lives into political issues to be quizzed about their views.  I even think it&#039;s fair game to ask them about their personal sex lives.  Why should only so-called &quot;Christian&quot; conservative pols get to say anything they want about other people&#039;s sex lives, and never be asked about their own sexual history?  That seems to me to be just fair play if one advocates government intervention into other people&#039;s sex lives (through outlawing abortion, upholding discriminatory marriage and employment laws, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t seen documentation of O&#8217;Donnell&#8217;s claim that Morgan was asking her about &#8220;sex.&#8221;  He was asking her about gay marriage and Don&#8217;t Ask/Don&#8217;t Tell&#8211;not about HER sex life.  If there is a clip or a transcript that shows otherwise, I&#8217;d be most grateful if someone would throw the link in the thread here.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s perfectly fine for pols who turn OTHER people&#8217;s sex lives into political issues to be quizzed about their views.  I even think it&#8217;s fair game to ask them about their personal sex lives.  Why should only so-called &#8220;Christian&#8221; conservative pols get to say anything they want about other people&#8217;s sex lives, and never be asked about their own sexual history?  That seems to me to be just fair play if one advocates government intervention into other people&#8217;s sex lives (through outlawing abortion, upholding discriminatory marriage and employment laws, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me the fight between Piers Morgan and Christine O&#039;Donnell is like the budget fight Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton staged in the mid-1990s: you win when you make the other fighter look bad.  Snowflakey stompoff, Morgan wins.  Ebil librul media, O&#039;Donnell wins.  We should probably go agnostic into this disagreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the fight between Piers Morgan and Christine O&#8217;Donnell is like the budget fight Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton staged in the mid-1990s: you win when you make the other fighter look bad.  Snowflakey stompoff, Morgan wins.  Ebil librul media, O&#8217;Donnell wins.  We should probably go agnostic into this disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see a fuller version of the interview than I did?  Because all I&#039;ve seen is her refusal to talk about her views about gay marriage.  I didn&#039;t see or hear about any questions about her sex life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see a fuller version of the interview than I did?  Because all I&#8217;ve seen is her refusal to talk about her views about gay marriage.  I didn&#8217;t see or hear about any questions about her sex life.</p>
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		<title>By: DickensReader</title>
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		<dc:creator>DickensReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then it is open country for CNN to ask about one&#039;s sex life, abortions, etc.  

It seems that only women are expected to sit and take it in the name of getting free publicity.  Piers Morgan would have accepted a &quot;no&quot; from a male who evaded a question, but he used her being a woman in order to come off as hard hitting journalist.  

I saw sexism at play.  I saw a woman not willing to take it from an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then it is open country for CNN to ask about one&#8217;s sex life, abortions, etc.  </p>
<p>It seems that only women are expected to sit and take it in the name of getting free publicity.  Piers Morgan would have accepted a &#8220;no&#8221; from a male who evaded a question, but he used her being a woman in order to come off as hard hitting journalist.  </p>
<p>I saw sexism at play.  I saw a woman not willing to take it from an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that O&#039;Donnell probably informed CNN that she didn&#039;t want to talk about certain things, but it seems like people need to indeed &lt;i&gt;butch up&lt;/i&gt; if they want the free publicity.  Since when do the subjects of interviews get to dictate the questions they may be asked?  Isn&#039;t the press corps in the U.S. subservient enough to celebrity and power?  (And yes, I realize that it&#039;s pretty hilarious defending Piers Morgan as though he&#039;s a really hard-hitting journalist.  As far as I can tell, he&#039;s slightly tougher than Larry King, but not nearly as tough as Rosie O&#039;Donnell.)
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/08/17/christine-o-donnell-leaves-interview.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;According to the clip I&#039;ve seen&lt;/a&gt;--which may be incomplete--when Morgan first asked about her views on gay marriage, she didn&#039;t say &quot;you violated our agreement!&quot;  She said instead that it wasn&#039;t relevant because she&#039;s not running for office or laying out a &quot;legislative agenda&quot; (?) and instead wants to talk about her &quot;fiscal policy.&quot;  She then leans on the definition of a &quot;host,&quot; as though Piers Morgan invited her over to have dinner with his family.

I don&#039;t see any evidence that &quot;she set the ground rules&quot; or that CNN violated them.  The whole thing just makes her look sillier and once again, not prepared for any kind of political *or* celebrity platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that O&#8217;Donnell probably informed CNN that she didn&#8217;t want to talk about certain things, but it seems like people need to indeed <i>butch up</i> if they want the free publicity.  Since when do the subjects of interviews get to dictate the questions they may be asked?  Isn&#8217;t the press corps in the U.S. subservient enough to celebrity and power?  (And yes, I realize that it&#8217;s pretty hilarious defending Piers Morgan as though he&#8217;s a really hard-hitting journalist.  As far as I can tell, he&#8217;s slightly tougher than Larry King, but not nearly as tough as Rosie O&#8217;Donnell.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/08/17/christine-o-donnell-leaves-interview.html" rel="nofollow">According to the clip I&#8217;ve seen</a>&#8211;which may be incomplete&#8211;when Morgan first asked about her views on gay marriage, she didn&#8217;t say &#8220;you violated our agreement!&#8221;  She said instead that it wasn&#8217;t relevant because she&#8217;s not running for office or laying out a &#8220;legislative agenda&#8221; (?) and instead wants to talk about her &#8220;fiscal policy.&#8221;  She then leans on the definition of a &#8220;host,&#8221; as though Piers Morgan invited her over to have dinner with his family.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any evidence that &#8220;she set the ground rules&#8221; or that CNN violated them.  The whole thing just makes her look sillier and once again, not prepared for any kind of political *or* celebrity platform.</p>
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		<title>By: DickensReader</title>
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		<dc:creator>DickensReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I don’t agree with Christine O’Donnell’s politics I am on her side about that CNN interview.  It Is not a question of her needing to sack up or butch up or whatever raunch euphemism may apply.  There was an agreement.  A clear agreement on what was to be discussed.  CNN attempted a sucker punch and got called on it.  When two parties enter into an agreement, an agreement is expected.  I think it is sexist to expect her to submit to his questioning when she had already set the ground rules, rules that CNN obviously had agreed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I don’t agree with Christine O’Donnell’s politics I am on her side about that CNN interview.  It Is not a question of her needing to sack up or butch up or whatever raunch euphemism may apply.  There was an agreement.  A clear agreement on what was to be discussed.  CNN attempted a sucker punch and got called on it.  When two parties enter into an agreement, an agreement is expected.  I think it is sexist to expect her to submit to his questioning when she had already set the ground rules, rules that CNN obviously had agreed on.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like butch up--I&#039;ll use that from now on!

But, yeah:  still sexist.  It&#039;s not at all the same to say &quot;femme up!&quot;  (But at least we can leave the smelly nutsacks out of it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like butch up&#8211;I&#8217;ll use that from now on!</p>
<p>But, yeah:  still sexist.  It&#8217;s not at all the same to say &#8220;femme up!&#8221;  (But at least we can leave the smelly nutsacks out of it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Northern Barbarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northern Barbarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sack up&quot; -- that&#039;s a new one to me.  Here in Lesboland we would say &quot;butch up!&quot; which I think is less sexist.  On the other hand, I find it interesting and somewhat embarrassing that even among lesbians traits coded masculine are more valued than those coded feminine.  It&#039;s now OK for lesbians to play with butch and femme roles, but while I&#039;ve joked about earning or losing &quot;butch points&quot; [like the time the very gruff lesbian mechanic asked me how many miles I had on my car, and I was totally clueless] I&#039;ve never heard of a dyke earning &quot;femme points.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sack up&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s a new one to me.  Here in Lesboland we would say &#8220;butch up!&#8221; which I think is less sexist.  On the other hand, I find it interesting and somewhat embarrassing that even among lesbians traits coded masculine are more valued than those coded feminine.  It&#8217;s now OK for lesbians to play with butch and femme roles, but while I&#8217;ve joked about earning or losing &#8220;butch points&#8221; [like the time the very gruff lesbian mechanic asked me how many miles I had on my car, and I was totally clueless] I&#8217;ve never heard of a dyke earning &#8220;femme points.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rustonite</title>
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		<dc:creator>rustonite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim lacy

Definitely a Reluctant Hero type, but maybe Cincinnatus is wrong here- that story has an element of noblesse oblige. More like Frodo.</description>
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<p>Definitely a Reluctant Hero type, but maybe Cincinnatus is wrong here- that story has an element of noblesse oblige. More like Frodo.</p>
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