Comments on: Simon Says, Goody Two-Shoes edition http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:32:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850923 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:12:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850923 I miss being a boy in eyeliner.

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By: Jezebella http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850828 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:59:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850828 Comrade: ME! TOO! New Orleans, ca. 1982ish, Saenger Theater.

I miss boys in eyeliner.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850478 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:11:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850478 Yeah, the JFK sex stuff is pretty well documented. And people can’t stomach a president who may have the occasional migrane these days! (Or smoke!) Hilarious.

I don’t particularly care about the sex lives of the presidents, but I think the compulsive misogynist sex stuff spoke to JFK’s lack of judgment and empathy. Dude should have had better pain medication for his back problems and his Addison’s Disease.

But as to koshem Bos’s larger point: sexuality stuff doesn’t really affect how I vote either. I voted for Ted Kennedy in 1994 when Mitt Romney challenged him for the Senate. I was glad to vote for him, because he was one of the few Senators (then or now) who stood up for feminist values. And yes, I realize the irony here, considering that he probably killed a young woman (Chappaquiddick.)

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850448 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:44:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850448 koshem bos, I read about JFK’s behaviors in the harsh Sy Hersh book that drew resentment from the Camelot crowd but has never been refuted on anything major. It’s been a few years but I remember a passage quoting the chief of the White House Secret Service. The poor fellow said he simply couldn’t do his job of protecting the President when unnamed, unidentified visitors were slipping in. He either turned in his resignation because of the stream of prostitutes or said he should have: I don’t remember which.

It wasn’t a trivial matter. Anything salacious like that would leak out in our era; so we’re probably well covered on sex, but what else aren’t we learning about?

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850446 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:32:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850446 Dudes, this is Britain. Making shit up is the news and we’re proud of it. We’re all just confused as to why they paid people to ‘hack’ for information that we would have published without corroboration and been quite happy about.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850413 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:26:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850413 Adam Ant was one of the best concerts I ever saw!!!

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850372 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:31:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850372 koshem Bos: So it all started from Kennedy; I am relieved.

That is not what Lady Prof wrote.

koshem Bos: Kennedy hookers did not use to be public information and rightly so. Lady Prof, I don’t care who has sex with whom no matter who are who and whom.

Creepy view of women’s worth. Renting out women’s bodies for the purpose of personal gratification reveals a level of disregard for their basic humanity that seems, to me at least, to stand at odds with Kennedy’s PR image as a great humanitarian. To suggest, on a history blog of all places, that such information should not be available when evaluating an individual’s contributions to society seems silly.

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By: koshem Bos http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850361 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:00:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850361 So it all started from Kennedy; I am relieved. Kennedy hookers did not use to be public information and rightly so. Lady Prof, I don’t care who has sex with whom no matter who are who and whom.

Simon is one of our pretend journalist that actually see their job as supporters of the strong and the rich. We need about 20 of his type, sadly we have hundreds. We also have a pretend Democratic party, a pretend progressive movement (they vote for our reactionary president) and almost 20% actual and real unemployment.

Can we put Kennedy on trial?

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850331 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:16:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850331 Perfect point. Journalists post-Watergate love to blather about themselves as saviors of democracy–but they never stopped the cringing and flattering they did for Jack Kennedy when he was bringing mob hookers, treating them just like dialed-in pizza, past the Secret Service to his White House pool.

Who knows what news of state we’re not getting, but we’ve seen plenty of ugly facts about celebrities that the press didn’t print at the time. God forbid, Jack Nicholson might not give you an interview or an autograph if you tick him off. So don’t tell that he paid a large settlement for the serious injuries he inflicted on a prostitute. And don’t report that this woman sued him again saying the injuries had worsened and his settlement payment wasn’t covering her expenses.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/21/simon-says-goody-two-shoes-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-850315 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:07:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=16009#comment-850315 Great story. Murdoch is really oily. Sitting in London, it’s been a pleasure to watch the slow unfolding of the story. When one person has so much power in the trade, many reporters were fearful because criticism might affect career prospects. It’s not unique to journalism. Those in power keep others in line through fear.

It was a pleasure to see Murdoch looking so out of it in front of Parliament the other day. I don’t believe it entirely, but insofar as it was an act, it undermines him going forward.

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