Comments on: Lori Ginzberg on Elizabeth Cady Stanton http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Leslie http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-850351 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:32:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-850351 I use Moody in a Women’s History course I teach to K-12 teachers. Primary and Secondary Civil Rights curricula is so structured (and skimpy outside of King and Parks) that most of them had no idea how many women were involved in the Civil Rights movement – the mere fact of their involvement combined with Moody’s experiences really shakes them up and several of them (even elementary school teachers) have said they will work to widen their discussions to include issues of gender in discussion.
I do plan to use Moody next time I teach the second half of the US survey course.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-848259 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:43:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-848259 Nuh-uh, Liz2: Bachmann in 2012!!! W00T!!11!!!!1111eleventy.

(((LOLsob.)))

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By: Liz2 http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-848217 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:34:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-848217 I was reminded of Elizabeth Cady Stanton’s position on who should get voting rights first in the last election primaries (between Obama & Clinton). It was interesting that few people brought up the parallel in the media. Will we wait 50 years to see a woman president in the U.S.? I suspect so.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-848080 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:54:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-848080 I’ve used _Untidy Origins_ once in a grad. research methods seminar and among the many other reasons why it’s a good tool is that it shows that yes, historically important phenomena *do* also happen in impossibly remote places–the farthest northwestern corner of the Adirondack plateau in this case–and that, no, the difficulty of finding a ton of primary sources waiting to jump into your lap isn’t a good excuse to “change topics,” especially ten days before the semester ends!

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-848070 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:02:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-848070 I thought raking W. J. Bryan over the coals was so old hat that it wasn’t even fun anymore. Didn’t it start with Hofstatder pointing out his anti-Semitism and move on from there? TR has been taking it on the chin for years – Teddy Bear patriarchy comes to mind, along with a ton of diplomatic history that points to TR’s racism as one of the origins of World War II. Darrow got poked at in Kevin Boyle’s book Arc of Justice, but it was more a friendly poke.

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By: Digger http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-848055 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:06:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-848055 [Looks for the Like button re: last two posts]

If you read Stanton’s account of organizing the Seneca Falls Convention, it sounds a lot like the last-straw impetus was when she lost her head having to watch her own kids and keep her own house, ‘cuz finding good help was really hard in the backwater-known-as-Waterloo, which was not nearly as cushy as fancy, civilized Boston. Not terribly PC. But if any woman who does something important or useful has to be a perfect, perfect Saint (by *everyone’s* standard), women wouldn’t do anything. Oh. Maybe that’s the point?

Also… this post finally got me to order the book. Looking forward to reading it!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-847968 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:40:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-847968 Heh. Exactly. It never occurs to the apologists for the slaveowners to apologize, flog themselves, or engage in a twenty-minute hate on themselves, for the ownership of humans.

This reminds me of the conversation we had about Mary Daly shortly after her death, and the ease with which some alleged feminist third-wavers dismissed her because of her transphobia. Only feminists (and Quakers) have to be politically correct across time and space. Because they had the foresight to be right about sexual politics/antislavery, they must also have made the correct statements throughout their lives on everything according to the standards of 2011 in order for us to include them in the Pantheon.

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By: The Rebel Lettriste http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-847962 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:59:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-847962 I feel this way about the way Quakers do their own history, too. It’s all about self-excoriation. The historical shtick given at the famous Meetinghouses in Philadelphia is this. Did you know that in the 19th c., Frederick Douglass’ wife came to Meeting and HAD TO SIT IN A SEPARATE SECTION!!1!!??? How horribly racist those 19thc. abolitionists were!!!111!!!.

I don’t understand the point of all this hand-wringing, and question its utility. If we judge 19th c. Quakers by 21st c. standards, yes, they were racist.

But, also? THEY WERE THE FIRST FUCKING ABOLITIONISTS. So their social skills were retrograde and tacky.

You know who was a REALLY racist motherfucker? The guy who OWNED Frederick Douglass in the first place.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-847861 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:14:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-847861 Z, you can just leave a single-word comment at Slate:

HARUMPH!

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2011/07/13/lori-ginzberg-on-elizabeth-cady-stanton/comment-page-1/#comment-847860 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:11:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=15889#comment-847860 I’d love to teach Moody.

Dickerson’s piece I don’t really get — I never seem to really get her.

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