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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts while perusing the tabloids in line at the supermarket</title>
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		<title>By: Servetus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that any reading of the Clooney story in the way you tell it is complicated by the widespread rumors that he is gay. I have no knowledge or or opinion on that, but it seems like the Clooney story of &quot;slipping the noose&quot; could also be potentially constructed to cover a gender story that doesn&#039;t entirely fit the heterosexual trope: i.e., he has to be seen as promiscuous and/or commitment-phobic because of an ongoing singlehood maintained in public that potentially stems from factors other than a simple desire not to fulfill bourgeois heterosexual ideals by getting married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that any reading of the Clooney story in the way you tell it is complicated by the widespread rumors that he is gay. I have no knowledge or or opinion on that, but it seems like the Clooney story of &#8220;slipping the noose&#8221; could also be potentially constructed to cover a gender story that doesn&#8217;t entirely fit the heterosexual trope: i.e., he has to be seen as promiscuous and/or commitment-phobic because of an ongoing singlehood maintained in public that potentially stems from factors other than a simple desire not to fulfill bourgeois heterosexual ideals by getting married.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR--I thought they were laying off of that child recently?  (At least, I remember that it was a bigger story about a year ago or so.)  

The policing of gender roles as enacted by children is just insane.  But at least those celebrity children have the option when they grow up of getting a big fat book contract to write about their vexed childhood growing up in a celebrity bubble.  (This doesn not justify the invasion of their privacy from birth, IMHO.  Those children really are trapped.)

You are right that all we need to do is read the covers of these magazines in order to follow the narrative.  But I wonder if cultural studies students could detect some (or even a great deal of) &quot;slippage&quot; between the narrative on the cover and the information in the article?  And yet the narrative remains stable and unchanged the following week. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR&#8211;I thought they were laying off of that child recently?  (At least, I remember that it was a bigger story about a year ago or so.)  </p>
<p>The policing of gender roles as enacted by children is just insane.  But at least those celebrity children have the option when they grow up of getting a big fat book contract to write about their vexed childhood growing up in a celebrity bubble.  (This doesn not justify the invasion of their privacy from birth, IMHO.  Those children really are trapped.)</p>
<p>You are right that all we need to do is read the covers of these magazines in order to follow the narrative.  But I wonder if cultural studies students could detect some (or even a great deal of) &#8220;slippage&#8221; between the narrative on the cover and the information in the article?  And yet the narrative remains stable and unchanged the following week. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the self-mockery, historiann. Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the self-mockery, historiann. Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant people, as in PEOPLE magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant people, as in PEOPLE magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenured Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenured Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had this exact same thought about Jen as I was waiting in CVS the other day and speed-reading people.

The other big story is, of course, Brad&#039;s transgender child, born a girl and presenting as a boy, with which slightly lower classy mags like US are obsessed. They interview numerous &quot;experts&quot; of dubious credentials, not to mention &quot;friends&quot; who &quot;confide&quot; in them, to put out the message that the child is deluded and that her parents are warping her by indulging it.  Of course, others might argue that tremendous damage might be done to the kid by forcing her to enact a kind of femininity that is offensive to her. The whole obsession is in part a narrative about gender; but it is also an opportunity to be highly critical of Brangelina&#039;s parenting (we know Jen would have been on top of the refusing to dress like a girl in a New York minute, right?)  

I think it is hard to know where these narratives come from, however.  Jen has a &quot;career&quot;, just like I do: in order to be a professor I have to do certain things that cause me to be perceived as one.  If you add in my blogger personality, folks who know me like Historiann and Urban Exile know that there is someone who kind of looks like that person, but is also not that person at all -- I have exaggerated features of my personality and located a blogger persona which I maintain.  I do that in a way because it &quot;sells&quot; my ideas, just as Jen is selling movies.

That some of us find those movies exasperating in their view of child-bearing as the ultimate gift of womanhood... well, yeah, I&#039;m down with that program.  I would also say that while commitment to a person is one way to enact humanness and ethical sociability, it isn&#039;t the only way -- many single people are quite happy, and have nurturing networks of friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had this exact same thought about Jen as I was waiting in CVS the other day and speed-reading people.</p>
<p>The other big story is, of course, Brad&#8217;s transgender child, born a girl and presenting as a boy, with which slightly lower classy mags like US are obsessed. They interview numerous &#8220;experts&#8221; of dubious credentials, not to mention &#8220;friends&#8221; who &#8220;confide&#8221; in them, to put out the message that the child is deluded and that her parents are warping her by indulging it.  Of course, others might argue that tremendous damage might be done to the kid by forcing her to enact a kind of femininity that is offensive to her. The whole obsession is in part a narrative about gender; but it is also an opportunity to be highly critical of Brangelina&#8217;s parenting (we know Jen would have been on top of the refusing to dress like a girl in a New York minute, right?)  </p>
<p>I think it is hard to know where these narratives come from, however.  Jen has a &#8220;career&#8221;, just like I do: in order to be a professor I have to do certain things that cause me to be perceived as one.  If you add in my blogger personality, folks who know me like Historiann and Urban Exile know that there is someone who kind of looks like that person, but is also not that person at all &#8212; I have exaggerated features of my personality and located a blogger persona which I maintain.  I do that in a way because it &#8220;sells&#8221; my ideas, just as Jen is selling movies.</p>
<p>That some of us find those movies exasperating in their view of child-bearing as the ultimate gift of womanhood&#8230; well, yeah, I&#8217;m down with that program.  I would also say that while commitment to a person is one way to enact humanness and ethical sociability, it isn&#8217;t the only way &#8212; many single people are quite happy, and have nurturing networks of friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that multiple sex partners does not necessarily equal &quot;liberation.&quot;  I was focused more on the structure of these narratives about celebrity lives, and musing on the impossibility of Aniston&#039;s life being written about in the way that Clooney&#039;s life is.  When women are cast as sexual libertines, that means they occupy the role of &quot;bad girl&quot; (a la Angela Jolie.)

Oh, and the &quot;Marxist feminist&quot; bit?  Joking self-mockery, mostly. (I thought that was pretty clear, but maybe not?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that multiple sex partners does not necessarily equal &#8220;liberation.&#8221;  I was focused more on the structure of these narratives about celebrity lives, and musing on the impossibility of Aniston&#8217;s life being written about in the way that Clooney&#8217;s life is.  When women are cast as sexual libertines, that means they occupy the role of &#8220;bad girl&#8221; (a la Angela Jolie.)</p>
<p>Oh, and the &#8220;Marxist feminist&#8221; bit?  Joking self-mockery, mostly. (I thought that was pretty clear, but maybe not?)</p>
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		<title>By: Urban Exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urban Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one more remark. I don&#039;t buy into the twin ideas that entering into marriage makes a woman &quot;the property&quot; of her partner or that a woman who has many sexual partners and avoids commitment to one partner is somehow more liberated, free or powerful. That idea seems so terribly reactionary and simplistic to me. Why, Historiann, does a life with no obligations to anyone look so good to you? Isn&#039;t commitment to people and ideas what makes society work at all?

Nice, provocative writing. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more remark. I don&#8217;t buy into the twin ideas that entering into marriage makes a woman &#8220;the property&#8221; of her partner or that a woman who has many sexual partners and avoids commitment to one partner is somehow more liberated, free or powerful. That idea seems so terribly reactionary and simplistic to me. Why, Historiann, does a life with no obligations to anyone look so good to you? Isn&#8217;t commitment to people and ideas what makes society work at all?</p>
<p>Nice, provocative writing. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Urban Exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urban Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer Aniston has found her &quot;vein of gold&quot;, as Julia Cameron puts it, in being the gal-pal, slightly off, never truly empowered person. So it&#039;s no surprise that her publicity keeps her consistent with that image. She is a brand, and her advertising is consistent with her brand. Celebrity rag &quot;editorial&quot;  is advertising for such brands and nothing more.

Who Jennifer really is, few people know. Maybe no one. Maybe not even Jennifer. We can have feminist wet dreams that she is an empowered, rich woman who doesn&#039;t need no man to make her life whole. On the other hand, maybe she is just a real fuck-up who doesn&#039;t know how to be successfully intimate with anyone. 

As usual, the Big Machine cranks out brain candy and we buy it. Angelina and Jennifer make a perfect Evil Stepmother and Snow White, both aesthetically and story-line wise. Neither is interesting without the other, hence the long drawn out myth of fighting over Brad.  In fact, none of these people are interesting at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Aniston has found her &#8220;vein of gold&#8221;, as Julia Cameron puts it, in being the gal-pal, slightly off, never truly empowered person. So it&#8217;s no surprise that her publicity keeps her consistent with that image. She is a brand, and her advertising is consistent with her brand. Celebrity rag &#8220;editorial&#8221;  is advertising for such brands and nothing more.</p>
<p>Who Jennifer really is, few people know. Maybe no one. Maybe not even Jennifer. We can have feminist wet dreams that she is an empowered, rich woman who doesn&#8217;t need no man to make her life whole. On the other hand, maybe she is just a real fuck-up who doesn&#8217;t know how to be successfully intimate with anyone. </p>
<p>As usual, the Big Machine cranks out brain candy and we buy it. Angelina and Jennifer make a perfect Evil Stepmother and Snow White, both aesthetically and story-line wise. Neither is interesting without the other, hence the long drawn out myth of fighting over Brad.  In fact, none of these people are interesting at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, I think that this is also informed by Angelina&#039;s on-screen persona. She rarely plays the RomCom lead, but rather the agressive, hot, alternative, never-truly obtainable, &#039;mistress-type&#039;; she is hard to imagine as a traditional wife and mother type, so we can&#039;t imagine her in that role with Brad.(Changeling is a really interesting attempt to disrupt this representation but that is another essay!). 

And, of course, this is worthy of feminist critique, because why is it that the &#039;traditional&#039; RomCom lead is allowed married happiness (or that we should root for her married happiness), but the hot, tattoo-ed, sexually-knowing, alternative-type woman is not! Talk about reinforcing cultural norms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, I think that this is also informed by Angelina&#8217;s on-screen persona. She rarely plays the RomCom lead, but rather the agressive, hot, alternative, never-truly obtainable, &#8216;mistress-type&#8217;; she is hard to imagine as a traditional wife and mother type, so we can&#8217;t imagine her in that role with Brad.(Changeling is a really interesting attempt to disrupt this representation but that is another essay!). </p>
<p>And, of course, this is worthy of feminist critique, because why is it that the &#8216;traditional&#8217; RomCom lead is allowed married happiness (or that we should root for her married happiness), but the hot, tattoo-ed, sexually-knowing, alternative-type woman is not! Talk about reinforcing cultural norms.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was even a piece in the NYT real estate section a few weeks ago about her moving from West of Central Park to East (wanting to), or maybe the other way around, and having to deal with some mean old co-op board that might thwart her &quot;dream&quot; housing plans by making her ditch that mutt (the dog, I mean).  I never assume that the images I see on the screen are light bouncing off of protoplasmic bodies with actual social security accounts, any more than I think &quot;Billy Budd&quot; is an actual person still looking to ship out under a better master. (He did avoid that dragnet and get a berth out of Leghorn on the last episode, though, didn&#039;t he?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was even a piece in the NYT real estate section a few weeks ago about her moving from West of Central Park to East (wanting to), or maybe the other way around, and having to deal with some mean old co-op board that might thwart her &#8220;dream&#8221; housing plans by making her ditch that mutt (the dog, I mean).  I never assume that the images I see on the screen are light bouncing off of protoplasmic bodies with actual social security accounts, any more than I think &#8220;Billy Budd&#8221; is an actual person still looking to ship out under a better master. (He did avoid that dragnet and get a berth out of Leghorn on the last episode, though, didn&#8217;t he?)</p>
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