Comments on: Seminal developments: entitled sexist a$$holes divide surgeons’ group

By: JJT

JJT — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:36:10 +0000

“That’s all that is available to me. However, I suggest that the researchers involved take a logic class. Apparently they’ve never bothered to take any, and it shows. Reseachers notice that women who fuck a lot are less depressed and of course the ONLY reason which occurs to their tiny gnat like brains is that semen is responsible. Duh, duh, and duh. Women who are less depressed are far more likely to be social, and hence engage in all sorts of social activities such as fucking. DUH. And females who feel bad about themselves, feel unworthy etc are far more likely not to insist their fuck buddy use a comdom. Double duh. Logic: making sexist researchers look as stupid as they actually are.”

In response to this, the researchers checked the amount of sex that the participants in the study were having, to ensure that the cause of a lack of depression was not more sex.

It might be that the cause was *better sex*, but that’s corrected for via random sampling. I don’t think the research is what people are disputing. People are disputing the suggestion the doctor is making about valentines gifts and appropriate jokes.

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By: esculenta

esculenta — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:29:48 +0000

As a follow up, the American College of Surgeons now has a brilliant and savvy president who coincidentally is a feminist pioneer in the field. She happened to be next in line as VP.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/prominent_woman_doctor_to_lead.html

(Hometown pride! Our journalism, though: not the best.)

I briefly worked in the Breast Care Center Dr. Numann founded (later renamed to honor her); she is a legend, beatifically praised by her colleagues, staff, and patients. Dr. Numann founded the American Association of Women Surgeons, was the first female surgeon at SUNY Upstate, and served as the first female chair of the American Board of Surgery.

Dr. Greenfield’s essay was tone-deaf *at best*. It was time for him to go, regardless, when the ACS can tout this treasure instead!

By: Bing

Bing — Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:16:12 +0000

No, Bardiac. It’s a matter of relevance.

Sorry, guys, but this one strikes me as a warlock-hunt. (See what I did there? I’m sensitive to sexist language!) Even if there is a correlation, not causation, it’s still there. I don’t think that it is a particularly fantastic op-ed, but then again, I don’t think that surgeons are as squeamish when it comes to bodily functions.

HJ (deceased)

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Does semen work as an antidepressant? — The Good Men Project Magazine — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:00:51 +0000

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By: Bardiac

Bardiac — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:08:44 +0000

This is slightly off-topic, but every time I see that picture, I can’t help thinking about the one body, the object of the exam, being cut in half to show the parts, while the other body (or disembodied hand) is whole, clothed (or gloved and gowned).

There’s something there that communicates about empowerment and such, isn’t there?

Sorry to be so half-thought-out. I need more caffeine.

By: Historiann

Historiann — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:18:41 +0000

HA! Good one, Susan.

dmj, I’m glad you’re optimistic, but the numbers of women med students have been at parity or above for a long time now. What’s happened to medicine is that women are pushed/guided into lower paying primary care specialties, and men still dominate the surgical and procedure-oriented (and thus higher paying) subspecialites like ophalmology, cardiology, and surgery in all forms (with the exception of OB/GYN.)

Why is it that surgery has such lopsided numbers of men v. women? Do you think that the j!zz jokes might have something to do with it?

This sorting out is what’s happening in fields that require professional/graduate degrees everywhere. There’s a gendering and sorting that goes on to ensure that male professionals will still make more money and have more prestige than the women.

By: Susan

Susan — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:12:07 +0000

I love Ruth’s formulation of “generative”. I’ve been careful about “seminal” since I gave one of my first job talks, where I referred to Alice Clark’s book as “seminal”. Some of the faculty took me aside….

By: dmj

dmj — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:22:16 +0000

“it’s really difficult to imagine how a profession that’s only 10% female can effect feminist change”

There’s good news on that front. As the proportion of female medical students grows, the proportion of females selecting surgical specialties has increased too. A relevant paper in the March issue of JACS: http://bit.ly/hghGFp

My medical school class is majority female, and that is usual at med schools these days. The surgery clerkship director here is a woman. Our curriculum includes training on women’s and LGBT issues from the first semester.

Medical and surgical cultures evolve painfully slowly, but they do change.

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