Comments on: A thrilling apotheosis of the multi-millennia struggle against douchehounds http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:04:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814559 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:21:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814559

It was a terrible experience, the deliberation being the worst and making me lose faith in my fellow citizens.

I served on jury duty a few years ago, I found it to be an uplifting and inspiring experience. The deliberation gave me renewed faith in my fellow citizens.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814546 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:02:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814546 As Melissa McEwan at Shakesville writes, “The third term of George W. Bush is going splendidly.”

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814540 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:42:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814540 Being African-American, I see Obama’s continued abandonment of the supposed ideals he espoused during the election a greater treason against class than race. There are rich AAs who probably love the fact he’s keeping so many people of all ethnicities down, as long as their taxes stay low and their community gates, high….

Also, history will tell whether the faux-progressivism of the Obama campaign was the greater betrayal of civil rights proponents than anything Reagan did — at least we knew we had an enemy, and we sure as hell didn’t vote him into office. It’s a sad era when we settle for symbols, rather than substance, on the principle that the new boss is 2% less evil than the old one.

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By: FrauTech http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814539 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:31:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814539 Well I don’t equate it to being something akin to having been involved personally, but it was still something overall that I was happy to be a part of. I didn’t vote for HC largely because I could predict all the direct attacks on women that would narrate the next four years, and Obama deals with enough veiled racism and supposed bs about his “socalism” when truly he was a moderate that I just can’t deal. But honestly, all the complaints liberals lob against Obama would be equally lobbed against HC. They are very close on the political spectrum, both practical moderates, and I think people fail to recognize that.

On jury duty- Sounds like my recent experience was a lot like Fratguy’s. I decided to set the bar high by not lying during selection and unfortunately got chosen for being one of the twelve most boring people in the room. It was a terrible experience, the deliberation being the worst and making me lose faith in my fellow citizens. I wonder if all the “good” jurors come up with excuses and get out of it.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814506 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:38:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814506 And, frankly, Cohen and co.’s eagerness to see their Obama votes as akin to freedom rides is all part of a white liberal guilt about race relations that I find increasingly problematic.

Exactly!

And I should add: it’s definitely a white thing to fantasize that Obama’s election is some “apotheosis.” None of the black people I know were anything but realistic about the meaning of the success of one African American man at the top of American electoral politics.

Western Dave: Fratguy got called for jury duty last summer and was disgusted by the flimsy excuses offered by his fellow citizens who were determined to shirk their duties. Although he’s a busy person with a busy medical practice & not salaried, he answered the voir dire questions honestly & got seated on the jury. Then, he complained every livin’ day he was on the jury!

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814504 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:09:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814504 Off on a tangent, my mother, a tough old broad, recently guilted my wife into doing jury duty with “people in Egypt are dying in the streets trying to get this, you should not try to duck out.” It worked.

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By: thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814466 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:17:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814466 Yeah, and it’s not just an American thing. Disraeli and Thatcher remain the only Jewish and female British prime ministers and while the former could change if Labour wins an election in the near future, I don’t see the latter changing any time soon.

And, frankly, Cohen and co.’s eagerness to see their Obama votes as akin to freedom rides is all part of a white liberal guilt about race relations that I find increasingly problematic. As you point out, it blinds people to other inequalities by propping up race–and really just blackness–as the only inequality in this country, but I also think it covers over the serious work still to be done on race. I always want to say, “Great, you voted for Obama, that doesn’t give you a pass on the more structural and difficult questions like access to education, incarceration rates, poverty, and the like.”

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814461 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:58:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814461 thefrogprincess: I’m not knocking Obama here at all. I’m criticizing Cohen and other so-called “liberals” who could see Obama’s candidacy as the fulfillment of a historic struggle but who couldn’t conceptualize of Clinton’s candidacy in similar terms. I certainly don’t blame Obama & his team for trying to capitalize on this at all. Candidates have to use whatever useful narratives they’ve got, and he had a bunch of really good ones!

I agree with you on the liklihood/timing of another African American POTUS, however. After all, America likes it’s “firsts,” so long as they remain exceptional. John F. Kennedy was our first–and only–Catholic president, and it’s been nearly 50 years. . . And any AA candidates for the presidency in the future will likely be compared mostly to Obama, regardless of party or ideology or personal history.

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By: thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814457 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:46:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814457 I generally disagree with you on most things Obama–and being African American and speaking to my mid-70s father on the phone the night he was elected, I will continue to uphold the idea that his election was monumental in ways we will probably understand when no black person is elected president again for the next 70 years. (Note, this is not an argument against Hillary’s qualifications or her suitability for the position, just my own vantage point. Also, from my vantage point, better than a sharp stick in the eye is still enough for me–not ideal, but enough–in light of the shenanigans going on in Arizona, the lurking birtherism, the hostility towards unions and any form of disagreement in Wisconsin, the attacks on women’s rights that Democrats aren’t doing much against but I shudder to think what might happen under a Republican president, the current small steps being made to undermine DOMA, etc.)

However…

it really insults those people who are fighting for the right to have a legit election that doesn’t just prop up the strongman who’s been in power for decades to pretend that walking to our polling place and then a few months later witnessing a peaceful and ceremonial transition of power is on the same level. As monumental as it was for me, all I had to do was walk to a Post Office in London, send off my absentee ballot, and then check that my vote had been counted online. Not exactly the same thing as being the sole woman challenging the Saleh regime in Yemen.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/12/a-thrilling-apotheosis-of-the-multi-millennia-struggle-against-douchehounds/comment-page-1/#comment-814453 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:17:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14859#comment-814453 Cohen surely was having a boomer senior moment if he thought a vote, a few yard signs, or even hosting one of those Texas caucuses that nullified the popular vote could count against having been born too late to Freedom Ride (or neglected to do so if you were around then). But what a concept for politically reparative cliotourism if extended to the entire historical spectrum. Vote for Hillary and it’ll be (almost) like you got your head cracked open at Michigan and Balbo that steamy August night. Vote for (whoever) and you can tell your grandkids about the time you chopped ‘cane right next to Che in Matanzas in 1962, or washed pots with Uncle Ho in the restaurant in Harlem, or even dumped tea at Boston next to John Hancock way back in ’73. I could almost see us getting a book deal out of this if we write it from the cloud.

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