Comments on: Wisconsin’s response to FOIA request for Cronon e-mails http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:24:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: The New York Review of Books Weighs in On Cronon… « The Art of Access http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-811221 Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:20:10 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-811221 [...] “Wisconsin’s response to FOIA request for Cronon e-mails” and related posts (historiann.com) [...]

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By: A Much More Supportive View of the Cronon FOI Response « The Art of Access http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810501 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:39:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810501 [...] “Wisconsin’s response to FOIA request for Cronon e-mails” and related posts (historiann.com) [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810359 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:05:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810359 Epiphenomenymity, man!

Or Mahnahmanymity. Totally.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810354 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 20:58:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810354

psuedonymity vs. … what? nymity?

Eponymity!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810310 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:54:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810310 Notorious–we were posting at the same time. I think you raise a great point about men’s time v. women’s time. It makes me recall a recent post on a feminist science blog–maybe some of you saw it (Zuska? Female Science Professor?)–in which the blogger made several concrete suggestions for “finding” women scientists and including them in conferences and grant review committees.

One of her first suggestions was to look outside of faculty at R-1 institutions, because women scientists (like women scholars in general) tend not to get selected for the most prestigious jobs in the same numbers, and that they cluster at SLACs and regional unis. Of course, as most of us know all too well, folks at all but the most selective SLACs and non-R-1 unis have higher teaching loads, more student contact hours, heavier undergraduate advising responsibilities, etc.

Long unsourced anecdote short: folks who have 3-3 and 4-4 teaching load maybe don’t have a lot of time left over for writing blog posts for other websites.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810308 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:47:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810308 Thanks to Ralph for stopping by to comment.

My take on HNN is that it is a fair representation of the American historical profession. It’s mostly a d00d thing, although political history is probably overrepresnted there given straight political history’s place in most history departments. (This is perhaps inevitable given the site’s interest in linking current American political events to history.) But most academic history depatments are dominated by social historians, and all of the elite graduate departments that I can think of are dominated by social historians (save Berkeley maybe, which has a thing for intellectual history.)

HNN’s Rick Shenkman kindly e-mailed me back in 2008 shortly after this blog debuted to invite me to contribute anything I wanted to HNN at any time. I thanked him for his welcome to the blogosphere, but told him that 1) I preferred to go it alone and 2) that I was disturbed by the nasty, usually rightist tenor of the comments sections on most of the articles. So, I have to admit that I myself have contributed to HNN’s d00dliness because I don’t have the time or inclination to deal with that kind of a peanut gallery.

I admit it that my commenters are a carefully selected (self-selected and Historiann-approved) crowd, and that it takes time and energy to encourage the kinds of commenters I like here. My bottom line is that it’s difficult enough to get taken seriously as a feminist woman scholar in my day job and professional life, so why would I want to continue to fight those battles in my blogging?

As for the ads: for some reason, there’s an online M.A. in military history that keeps chasing me around the internets. I haven’t seen the nursing ads, but I have to admit that I just tune most of those out pretty automatically.

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By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810306 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:36:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810306 Ralph brings up an interesting point:

The last time I did a survey of female history bloggers, about half of them blogged anonymously or pseudonymously.

We’ve talked often about “blogging while female” (our hostess even participated in a print roundtable on the subject) and about psuedonymity vs. … what? nymity? But have we talked about the area where the two overlap? Are female bloggers really more likely to be pseudonymous? If so, why? I could make guesses, but I’d just be talking out my ass.

Another (possibly gendered) point: Ralph once contacted me to ask me to blog for HNN, specifically because they wanted more female voices. I declined, because, frankly, I couldn’t handle even the small amount of more work this would entail (Okay, and also because I wanted to be able to indulge at will in snark, or insecurity, or any one of my other many character defects). I felt I needed to concentrate on the core aspects of my job: write, teach, and do service that I could get credit for.

Do men just have more feckin’ time? If so, taking some of that back for ourselves should be high on the priority list for the coming revolution.

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By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810303 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:11:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810303 I’m only surprised that someone hasn’t used this event to ask “where are the women bloggers?” I know that I’m not helping the numbers. I used to blog pseudonymously but now my bylined blog’s in abeyance (I have a crappy platform and I’m too busy to wrestle the code into compliance on the back end).

Regarding the HNN ad? I’m avoiding HNN entirely now. Interstitials so wildly off-topic are just not on.

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By: Ralph Luker http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810172 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:51:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810172 I share the complaint of Nicole and Susan about the obnoxious HNN ad for nursing programs. It irritates male and female readers alike. HNN management, not Cliopatria, is responsible for it. Notorious PhD is probably onto something in noting the list’s bias in favor of named bloggers, but despite Historiann’s reading, it doesn’t claim to encompass all important discussions of Cronon. The last time I did a survey of female history bloggers, about half of them blogged anonymously or pseudonymously. That was several years ago, however. I’m not sure whether that is still the case or not.

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By: Cliotropic http://www.historiann.com/2011/04/02/wisconsins-response-to-foia-request-for-cronon-e-mails/comment-page-1/#comment-810122 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 04:42:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=14739#comment-810122 HNN being a group project with multiple authors, the d00d-heaviness of that list is the sole responsibility of its author, Ralph Luker. (I’d bother to post a comment on the HNN story linking to the posts from Notorious Ph.D., Bardiac, or Roxie’s World, but HNN’s layout places comments so far below-the-fold that those links would be unlikely to be noticed anyway.)

If readers would like to contact the HNN editors, their email address is on the article-submission-guidelines page. You might also read (all the way to the bottom of the) HNN About Us page for more direct contact information and indirect data on staff/intern/advisory-board demographics.

As for “what if William were Wilma,” I can’t imagine Cronon will be the last prominent historian to face a FOIA request over the next few years. I’m all for pointing out the effects of institutionalized gender biases, but I still can’t say I’m eager to find out the answer to that question.

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