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		<title>By: kunsthistoriker</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/06/declining-a-job-offer-after-inking-the-contract/comment-page-2/#comment-1309116</link>
		<dc:creator>kunsthistoriker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to this message board while pondering what i might do if I received job offers for the end of my pre-tenure sabbatical year next year.  My current R2 employment contact states that I must return to campus for one year after being awarded a sabbatical.  I was wondering if that was binding.  I see now that it is highly improbable that any effort would be made to enforce it, unless I have an especially spiteful dean or department chair.

I must say, however..  Since I was searching for legal advice, I was very surprised to find far more discussion of what amounts, essentially, to professional etiquette.  To be sure, any community of colleagues benefits from good manners.

Nevertheless, in this instance, some of those advancing their notion of what constitutes &quot;good form&quot; exhibit a sharp deficit of empathy and an apparent lack of awareness how their attitudes serve to maintain unhealthy institutional practices.  The academic job market is dire.  Given that the jobs only come about once every few years, how can we not expect every candidate to apply for any and everything, take whatever he/she can get and not even let on to potential employers that their institution is really not at all the kind of place he/she wants to be.  Have any of those speaking out against those who would back-out of a contract, experienced what it is like to try to survive on adjunct &quot;salaries?&quot;  Have they experienced what it means to have to wait another year?  Look.  The more and more we in the academy oversupply the job market and undersupply the jobs (and salaries), the less right we have to demand &quot;respect&quot; from the job candidates whose desperation we rely on to supply even the lowest-ranking institutions with overqualified faculty.

I strongly encourage far less brow-beating on the part of those of us who are employed - particularly those out there who are tenured - however, unhappy you may be with your committee and its ability to retain the candidates you really want.  Is it not possible that in a better job market, they wouldn&#039;t bother applying to your position in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to this message board while pondering what i might do if I received job offers for the end of my pre-tenure sabbatical year next year.  My current R2 employment contact states that I must return to campus for one year after being awarded a sabbatical.  I was wondering if that was binding.  I see now that it is highly improbable that any effort would be made to enforce it, unless I have an especially spiteful dean or department chair.</p>
<p>I must say, however..  Since I was searching for legal advice, I was very surprised to find far more discussion of what amounts, essentially, to professional etiquette.  To be sure, any community of colleagues benefits from good manners.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, in this instance, some of those advancing their notion of what constitutes &#8220;good form&#8221; exhibit a sharp deficit of empathy and an apparent lack of awareness how their attitudes serve to maintain unhealthy institutional practices.  The academic job market is dire.  Given that the jobs only come about once every few years, how can we not expect every candidate to apply for any and everything, take whatever he/she can get and not even let on to potential employers that their institution is really not at all the kind of place he/she wants to be.  Have any of those speaking out against those who would back-out of a contract, experienced what it is like to try to survive on adjunct &#8220;salaries?&#8221;  Have they experienced what it means to have to wait another year?  Look.  The more and more we in the academy oversupply the job market and undersupply the jobs (and salaries), the less right we have to demand &#8220;respect&#8221; from the job candidates whose desperation we rely on to supply even the lowest-ranking institutions with overqualified faculty.</p>
<p>I strongly encourage far less brow-beating on the part of those of us who are employed &#8211; particularly those out there who are tenured &#8211; however, unhappy you may be with your committee and its ability to retain the candidates you really want.  Is it not possible that in a better job market, they wouldn&#8217;t bother applying to your position in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point.  I agree:  it&#039;s better not to come at all rather than let a uni spend all of that moving money &amp; startup funds on someone who&#039;s going to resign and leave anyway.  Better to save the money and re-do the hire later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point.  I agree:  it&#8217;s better not to come at all rather than let a uni spend all of that moving money &#038; startup funds on someone who&#8217;s going to resign and leave anyway.  Better to save the money and re-do the hire later.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
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		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is a totally wrong move  on the candidate part to back out on a signed contract in the &quot;last minute&quot;, it is even worst of hir to come, put a notice for resignation and then leave 3 months later. Although not ideal, the candidate may actually doing the department a &quot;favor&quot; by cutting their lost at the first place, saving the already limited department&#039;s resources and monies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is a totally wrong move  on the candidate part to back out on a signed contract in the &#8220;last minute&#8221;, it is even worst of hir to come, put a notice for resignation and then leave 3 months later. Although not ideal, the candidate may actually doing the department a &#8220;favor&#8221; by cutting their lost at the first place, saving the already limited department&#8217;s resources and monies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Moo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A two body problem will always trump any job offer etiquette, period.  If you want the candidate, offer their spouse a job too.

There isn&#039;t much reason for backing out aside from a two body problem, even superstar candidates only get a few job offers.  If you&#039;re so brilliant that you&#039;re weighing offers from Harvard and MIT, well maybe people won&#039;t mind you being an asshole.  For everyone else, you must demonstrate that you&#039;re a useful and pleasant member of a department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A two body problem will always trump any job offer etiquette, period.  If you want the candidate, offer their spouse a job too.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t much reason for backing out aside from a two body problem, even superstar candidates only get a few job offers.  If you&#8217;re so brilliant that you&#8217;re weighing offers from Harvard and MIT, well maybe people won&#8217;t mind you being an asshole.  For everyone else, you must demonstrate that you&#8217;re a useful and pleasant member of a department.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for my cat who looks like your cat to come home, and you&#039;re my top referrer right now (!) so I am distracting myself with this.

On candidate strategies and for their sake, I guess I&#039;d say this: there are weak and strong ways to handle these shoals. Weak is to try to be underhanded. Strong is to be up front, but not put your own best interests second.

I was socialized to think in terms of survival, politeness, deference, as opposed to thinking: I&#039;ve got an interesting research program, how can I best nurture it? I think it&#039;s possible to do the latter without being jerk-ly about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for my cat who looks like your cat to come home, and you&#8217;re my top referrer right now (!) so I am distracting myself with this.</p>
<p>On candidate strategies and for their sake, I guess I&#8217;d say this: there are weak and strong ways to handle these shoals. Weak is to try to be underhanded. Strong is to be up front, but not put your own best interests second.</p>
<p>I was socialized to think in terms of survival, politeness, deference, as opposed to thinking: I&#8217;ve got an interesting research program, how can I best nurture it? I think it&#8217;s possible to do the latter without being jerk-ly about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/06/declining-a-job-offer-after-inking-the-contract/comment-page-2/#comment-798765</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes--but most of the time departments in my field when they try to hire in the preseason they end up dragged into the usual season.

A friend of mine was once up for a job he was told was going to make an &quot;early hire.&quot;  He was OK with it and would have taken it if offered, I think, but they offered the job to someone else in December before Xmas, and that person wanted to wait to hear what hir other options were, so ze didn&#039;t end up making up her mind until late January or early Feb.  (Ze took the job.)

I guess the lesson is, make the hire and stick to your deadlines.  But trying to hire &quot;early&quot; and then refusing to make a decision when a candidate dithers is pretty silly, in my view.  (Or better yet, just go along with the usual timeline and give up the &quot;early hire&quot; fantasy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes&#8211;but most of the time departments in my field when they try to hire in the preseason they end up dragged into the usual season.</p>
<p>A friend of mine was once up for a job he was told was going to make an &#8220;early hire.&#8221;  He was OK with it and would have taken it if offered, I think, but they offered the job to someone else in December before Xmas, and that person wanted to wait to hear what hir other options were, so ze didn&#8217;t end up making up her mind until late January or early Feb.  (Ze took the job.)</p>
<p>I guess the lesson is, make the hire and stick to your deadlines.  But trying to hire &#8220;early&#8221; and then refusing to make a decision when a candidate dithers is pretty silly, in my view.  (Or better yet, just go along with the usual timeline and give up the &#8220;early hire&#8221; fantasy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s &quot;smart&quot; is that sometimes they succeed in hiring better candidates than they would have otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s &#8220;smart&#8221; is that sometimes they succeed in hiring better candidates than they would have otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@atty anony I am with you on this. 

Once again, I do understand how inconvenient it will be if the person we just made an offer to accepts and renegs. It is extra inconvenient at my institution, in fact, since we can only seek authorization to bring in ONE candidate at a time.

I still say all the deference to everyone&#039;s needs but their own that is so strongly recommended to graduate students and assistant professors -- in a context in which jobs are scarcer and research/teaching requirements are higher than before, and in which institutions have less and less loyalty to faculty -- is misplaced.

The person we hire will have moving expenses to pay and will also need first, last, and security deposit on an apartment. That means they must lay out maybe $5K in cash just to get here. We can then turn around and lay them off with 3 months&#039; notice. 

I just lack the chutzpah to tell someone to take us on those kinds of terms if they get a better deal.

*

And speaking of ethics and morality: my main department does not like the fact that I am willing to answer nitty gritty questions from job candidates -- as in about things like precise procedures and costs here for processing green cards -- truthfully and in as much detail as is desired. I&#039;ve seen people be vague and even deceptive at interviews, and then surprised when the candidate either doesn&#039;t take the job or renegs when they find out they have been misinformed at the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@atty anony I am with you on this. </p>
<p>Once again, I do understand how inconvenient it will be if the person we just made an offer to accepts and renegs. It is extra inconvenient at my institution, in fact, since we can only seek authorization to bring in ONE candidate at a time.</p>
<p>I still say all the deference to everyone&#8217;s needs but their own that is so strongly recommended to graduate students and assistant professors &#8212; in a context in which jobs are scarcer and research/teaching requirements are higher than before, and in which institutions have less and less loyalty to faculty &#8212; is misplaced.</p>
<p>The person we hire will have moving expenses to pay and will also need first, last, and security deposit on an apartment. That means they must lay out maybe $5K in cash just to get here. We can then turn around and lay them off with 3 months&#8217; notice. </p>
<p>I just lack the chutzpah to tell someone to take us on those kinds of terms if they get a better deal.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>And speaking of ethics and morality: my main department does not like the fact that I am willing to answer nitty gritty questions from job candidates &#8212; as in about things like precise procedures and costs here for processing green cards &#8212; truthfully and in as much detail as is desired. I&#8217;ve seen people be vague and even deceptive at interviews, and then surprised when the candidate either doesn&#8217;t take the job or renegs when they find out they have been misinformed at the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But CPP--what&#039;s &quot;smart&quot; about a department that tried to bully you into taking a job when it didn&#039;t work?  (Granted, it may have worked in the other case you noted.) I&#039;ve heard of History departments doing this, but they usually get bunged up because their top candidates (like you in your story) know they have other options, so they end up dragging the process into the tradition timeframe anyway.  

Color me unconvinced that this is &quot;smart.&quot;  I think searches run best when everyone&#039;s clear what their other options are and it&#039;s all on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But CPP&#8211;what&#8217;s &#8220;smart&#8221; about a department that tried to bully you into taking a job when it didn&#8217;t work?  (Granted, it may have worked in the other case you noted.) I&#8217;ve heard of History departments doing this, but they usually get bunged up because their top candidates (like you in your story) know they have other options, so they end up dragging the process into the tradition timeframe anyway.  </p>
<p>Color me unconvinced that this is &#8220;smart.&#8221;  I think searches run best when everyone&#8217;s clear what their other options are and it&#8217;s all on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smarter departments at less-prestigious institutions do their searches, make their offers much earlier in the hiring season than the norm, and project strong &quot;take it or leave it, right now&quot; positions. This is so that they have a chance of hiring the more desirable candidates who have a good chance of securing better jobbes, but might take the early offer out of fear that they won&#039;t get something better and then will be left with nothing. I was in this position during my own junior faculty jobbe search, and had to make second visits with PhysioWife in tow to places that I had almost zero chance of accepting their offer, just to keep the offers open and maintain my negotiating position. I ended up ultimately with an offer I was very happy with (from a prestigious institution that was way *late* in the hiring season with their interviews and offer), but I had little choice but to drag out the process. Conversely, we just had a candidate decline our invitation to interview for an assistant professor search we are currently running, because she had taken an offer at another (much less prestigious) institution. This is all part of the gamesmanship, and I am glad I didn&#039;t let those less-desirable places bully me with their early offers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smarter departments at less-prestigious institutions do their searches, make their offers much earlier in the hiring season than the norm, and project strong &#8220;take it or leave it, right now&#8221; positions. This is so that they have a chance of hiring the more desirable candidates who have a good chance of securing better jobbes, but might take the early offer out of fear that they won&#8217;t get something better and then will be left with nothing. I was in this position during my own junior faculty jobbe search, and had to make second visits with PhysioWife in tow to places that I had almost zero chance of accepting their offer, just to keep the offers open and maintain my negotiating position. I ended up ultimately with an offer I was very happy with (from a prestigious institution that was way *late* in the hiring season with their interviews and offer), but I had little choice but to drag out the process. Conversely, we just had a candidate decline our invitation to interview for an assistant professor search we are currently running, because she had taken an offer at another (much less prestigious) institution. This is all part of the gamesmanship, and I am glad I didn&#8217;t let those less-desirable places bully me with their early offers.</p>
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