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		<title>By: Gender Matters: My Lesson for Women’s History Month : Kelly J Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-800313</link>
		<dc:creator>Gender Matters: My Lesson for Women’s History Month : Kelly J Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think President Obama had it covered. (Historiann, the better blogger, already commented on the sausage fest that is the National Endowment Humanities Medal winners.) Timely, I am [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I think President Obama had it covered. (Historiann, the better blogger, already commented on the sausage fest that is the National Endowment Humanities Medal winners.) Timely, I am [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Perpetua</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796589</link>
		<dc:creator>Perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan Cadden. Amen, Bardiac- Caroline Walker Bynum. Natalie Davis. Mary Ryan. Judith Walkowitz. Olivia Remie Constable.

(sorry if this double-posts - my computer is malfunctioning this morning)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan Cadden. Amen, Bardiac- Caroline Walker Bynum. Natalie Davis. Mary Ryan. Judith Walkowitz. Olivia Remie Constable.</p>
<p>(sorry if this double-posts &#8211; my computer is malfunctioning this morning)</p>
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		<title>By: Bardiac</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796577</link>
		<dc:creator>Bardiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn Walker Bynum.</description>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Weinstein.  Mary Kay Vaughan. Asuncion Lavrin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Weinstein.  Mary Kay Vaughan. Asuncion Lavrin.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796409</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s one:  Annette Gordon-Reed, who was the lone female honoree last year.  There are a lot of other historians on the list, especially in the Bush years, but they&#039;re all conservative historians like Gertrude Himmelfarb, Mary Lefkowitz Horowitz, and Elizabeth Fox Genovese.

Upon reflection, I would put EFG in with AGR, although I think their politics were probably quite divergent.  Still:  both do/did women&#039;s history!  (Although, guess which one wrote a book called--seriously--&lt;i&gt;Feminism is Not the Story of My Life&lt;/i&gt;?)

And, how could I have neglected to mention Lynn Hunt and Carroll Smith-Rosenberg, two important mentors of mine at Penn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s one:  Annette Gordon-Reed, who was the lone female honoree last year.  There are a lot of other historians on the list, especially in the Bush years, but they&#8217;re all conservative historians like Gertrude Himmelfarb, Mary Lefkowitz Horowitz, and Elizabeth Fox Genovese.</p>
<p>Upon reflection, I would put EFG in with AGR, although I think their politics were probably quite divergent.  Still:  both do/did women&#8217;s history!  (Although, guess which one wrote a book called&#8211;seriously&#8211;<i>Feminism is Not the Story of My Life</i>?)</p>
<p>And, how could I have neglected to mention Lynn Hunt and Carroll Smith-Rosenberg, two important mentors of mine at Penn?</p>
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		<title>By: shaz</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796405</link>
		<dc:creator>shaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the h/t, Historiann BFF.  Anyone up for tallying how many of those winners do feminist history and/or women&#039;s history?

What a lovely start to Women&#039;s History month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the h/t, Historiann BFF.  Anyone up for tallying how many of those winners do feminist history and/or women&#8217;s history?</p>
<p>What a lovely start to Women&#8217;s History month.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Grafton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Grafton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to those already mentioned, who included a number of the people I admire most in the world, there&#039;s Wendy Doniger, Hanna Holborn Gray (my undergraduate mentor, before she rose to glory), Lynn Hunt, Barbara Metcalf, Pauline Maier, Svetlana Alpers--and the beat could go for days.

Oy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to those already mentioned, who included a number of the people I admire most in the world, there&#8217;s Wendy Doniger, Hanna Holborn Gray (my undergraduate mentor, before she rose to glory), Lynn Hunt, Barbara Metcalf, Pauline Maier, Svetlana Alpers&#8211;and the beat could go for days.</p>
<p>Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796386</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 02:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew Faust!  Jill Lepore!  Jacqueline Jones!  Debra Gray White!  Joan Scott!  Linda Gordon!  Judith Bennett!  Vicki Ruiz!  Estelle Freedman!

Jeezus frack.  It&#039;s not even hard to extend the lists the rest of you have started.

A number of you have already listed folks I would have listed, too.  You commenters are awesome.  I love &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of your suggestions.

(I have to giggle at Tony Grafton&#039;s second comment.  I think we&#039;d know which he found &quot;pathetic,&quot; my comments or the list of NEH honorees!  But I appreciate attention to detail, as always.)

This announcement of the 2010 honorees comes at an interesting moment, when Susan (above) and I have just come away from this conference in Texas in which bossy, opinionated women historians completely dominated the discussions.  It&#039;s so interesting when the world outside actually starts to resemble the world I inhabit in my head . . . and such a rude remembrance when we are instructed about the way the world still works.

As we at the Centering Families in the Atlantic World conference became fond of saying this week, &quot;&lt;i&gt;patriarchal equilibrium,&lt;/i&gt; everyone?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew Faust!  Jill Lepore!  Jacqueline Jones!  Debra Gray White!  Joan Scott!  Linda Gordon!  Judith Bennett!  Vicki Ruiz!  Estelle Freedman!</p>
<p>Jeezus frack.  It&#8217;s not even hard to extend the lists the rest of you have started.</p>
<p>A number of you have already listed folks I would have listed, too.  You commenters are awesome.  I love <i>all</i> of your suggestions.</p>
<p>(I have to giggle at Tony Grafton&#8217;s second comment.  I think we&#8217;d know which he found &#8220;pathetic,&#8221; my comments or the list of NEH honorees!  But I appreciate attention to detail, as always.)</p>
<p>This announcement of the 2010 honorees comes at an interesting moment, when Susan (above) and I have just come away from this conference in Texas in which bossy, opinionated women historians completely dominated the discussions.  It&#8217;s so interesting when the world outside actually starts to resemble the world I inhabit in my head . . . and such a rude remembrance when we are instructed about the way the world still works.</p>
<p>As we at the Centering Families in the Atlantic World conference became fond of saying this week, &#8220;<i>patriarchal equilibrium,</i> everyone?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HistoryMaven</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2011/03/02/and-the-wieners-are/comment-page-1/#comment-796375</link>
		<dc:creator>HistoryMaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy.  I&#039;m reading this after (1) being really upset about my home state of Ohio (&amp;^%$ Kasich and SB5), and (2) a day of updating and revising encyclopedia entries on a bunch of male historians.  I may have to defend my decision to check out the archives to see what their wives left behind, but I went ahead and did it. No surprise--scholars in their own right, working in preservation, Progressive reforms, etc.--one even wrote a script on American history for a film in 1924!  

So I guess I&#039;m wondering what it means to keep awarding the individual when it&#039;s a lot more complicated.   When one of the winners on this list retired, his long-time research assistant (ABD) lost her job.  

What would happen if universities could win humanities medals? 

But I&#039;ll surrender and offer my list:  if she were still alive, Caroline Ware; Linda Kerber; Laurel Thatcher Ulrich; Natalie Zemon Davis; Gerda Lerner. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy.  I&#8217;m reading this after (1) being really upset about my home state of Ohio (&amp;^%$ Kasich and SB5), and (2) a day of updating and revising encyclopedia entries on a bunch of male historians.  I may have to defend my decision to check out the archives to see what their wives left behind, but I went ahead and did it. No surprise&#8211;scholars in their own right, working in preservation, Progressive reforms, etc.&#8211;one even wrote a script on American history for a film in 1924!  </p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m wondering what it means to keep awarding the individual when it&#8217;s a lot more complicated.   When one of the winners on this list retired, his long-time research assistant (ABD) lost her job.  </p>
<p>What would happen if universities could win humanities medals? </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll surrender and offer my list:  if she were still alive, Caroline Ware; Linda Kerber; Laurel Thatcher Ulrich; Natalie Zemon Davis; Gerda Lerner. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 01:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second/third/seventh Natalie Davis who is an amazing, world-renowned scholar. But to add to that, there are hundreds more of absolutely outstanding women scholars who I&#039;m sure are just not seen when these lists are drawn up. The invisible status of women of a certain age probably helps in that, doesn&#039;t it?

Just off the top of my head and focusing on hitorians, why not Linda Colley, Ruth Mazo Karras, Merry Wiesner-Hanks, Susan Karant-Nunn, Claire Potter, Linda Levy Peck, Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, Erika Rappaport. . . ?

There are so many amazing women out there whose names don&#039;t ever come up for awards and recognition, not because they lack anything in terms of quality, but because women&#039;s names don&#039;t come up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second/third/seventh Natalie Davis who is an amazing, world-renowned scholar. But to add to that, there are hundreds more of absolutely outstanding women scholars who I&#8217;m sure are just not seen when these lists are drawn up. The invisible status of women of a certain age probably helps in that, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Just off the top of my head and focusing on hitorians, why not Linda Colley, Ruth Mazo Karras, Merry Wiesner-Hanks, Susan Karant-Nunn, Claire Potter, Linda Levy Peck, Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, Erika Rappaport. . . ?</p>
<p>There are so many amazing women out there whose names don&#8217;t ever come up for awards and recognition, not because they lack anything in terms of quality, but because women&#8217;s names don&#8217;t come up!</p>
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