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		<title>By: Katherine Rinne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Rinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I didn&#039;t realize that my article in the NY Times on being an Independent Scholar had garnered so much interest. I thought I might make a quick response to some points that were brought up.

1) There were no &quot;push&quot; factors in my decision.  I taught architecture full-time at U. of Ark and made about $30,000 a year. I liked them and they like me. Teaching architecture (20 contact hours per week plus all the usual stuff) didn&#039;t allow much time for research. 
 
2) I needed to live in Rome to do the research - and no school will give a faculty member several years off to do research.  I really did need to quit my day job.

3) I had to learn Italian. Oh, and I don&#039;t have a PhD. Nor do I have a trust fund, etc.

4) The book is one part of an on-going web project which is a history of water infrastructure and urban development in Rome from Romulus and Remus to the present day. The web project has been public since 1999 by U of Virginia.   

5) It took about 3 years to write the book. I also had to learn how to write well.  How many architects know how to do that?

6) I would love all the perks that come with a real job and I miss not having them. 

7) If I lived in a town of 30,000 (Fayetteville was about 45,000 when I left) I could live on a lot less money.  But I would still have to go to Rome to do my research.

8) Some of my friends are professors and/or architects. Many of the professors actually make more than the architects. I know several former academics who make hefty salaries.

9) When I teach, I teach my specialty = urban development, urban history, infrastructure history, design studios, etc. Since I don&#039;t have a PhD I can only teach in an architecture school - however I should point out that for about the last 15 years or so most programs only hire Phd&#039;s, for tenure-track positions, even to teach design studio.

Thanks for your interest.  Please look at my book if you are interested in the subject &quot;The Waters of Rome: Aqueducts, Fountains, and the Birth of the Baroque City.&quot; I think my time was well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I didn&#8217;t realize that my article in the NY Times on being an Independent Scholar had garnered so much interest. I thought I might make a quick response to some points that were brought up.</p>
<p>1) There were no &#8220;push&#8221; factors in my decision.  I taught architecture full-time at U. of Ark and made about $30,000 a year. I liked them and they like me. Teaching architecture (20 contact hours per week plus all the usual stuff) didn&#8217;t allow much time for research. </p>
<p>2) I needed to live in Rome to do the research &#8211; and no school will give a faculty member several years off to do research.  I really did need to quit my day job.</p>
<p>3) I had to learn Italian. Oh, and I don&#8217;t have a PhD. Nor do I have a trust fund, etc.</p>
<p>4) The book is one part of an on-going web project which is a history of water infrastructure and urban development in Rome from Romulus and Remus to the present day. The web project has been public since 1999 by U of Virginia.   </p>
<p>5) It took about 3 years to write the book. I also had to learn how to write well.  How many architects know how to do that?</p>
<p>6) I would love all the perks that come with a real job and I miss not having them. </p>
<p>7) If I lived in a town of 30,000 (Fayetteville was about 45,000 when I left) I could live on a lot less money.  But I would still have to go to Rome to do my research.</p>
<p>8) Some of my friends are professors and/or architects. Many of the professors actually make more than the architects. I know several former academics who make hefty salaries.</p>
<p>9) When I teach, I teach my specialty = urban development, urban history, infrastructure history, design studios, etc. Since I don&#8217;t have a PhD I can only teach in an architecture school &#8211; however I should point out that for about the last 15 years or so most programs only hire Phd&#8217;s, for tenure-track positions, even to teach design studio.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest.  Please look at my book if you are interested in the subject &#8220;The Waters of Rome: Aqueducts, Fountains, and the Birth of the Baroque City.&#8221; I think my time was well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Digger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perils of losing access to abortion (and according to my news feed, the &quot;forcible&quot; rape distinction is back in the proposed House bill to restrict abortion funding) is not just a heterosexual issue. I&#039;d hate to have to make the decision to have an abortion or not, but just being gay doesn&#039;t mean I wouldn&#039;t ever have to.

Otherwise, yes, exactly what you said. Dems need to stop letting others frame the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perils of losing access to abortion (and according to my news feed, the &#8220;forcible&#8221; rape distinction is back in the proposed House bill to restrict abortion funding) is not just a heterosexual issue. I&#8217;d hate to have to make the decision to have an abortion or not, but just being gay doesn&#8217;t mean I wouldn&#8217;t ever have to.</p>
<p>Otherwise, yes, exactly what you said. Dems need to stop letting others frame the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that now is not the time to pussyfoot about why access to abortion and the entire range of reproductive health services matter. And they matter dearly!

The stories from the representatives that you linked were very intense and affective. I&#039;d like to hope they were also effective but with these ideologues on the opposite side, devoted to thinking of women as chattel? I doubt it.

Let us remind people how horrific the outcomes were in the days of old and how they still are now since so many American women are effectively without access to reproductive health services and abortions. What affects them also spills over to Canada since we especially rely on the U.S. as a provider of late-term (very specialized) care although we should think about that dangerous dependency!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that now is not the time to pussyfoot about why access to abortion and the entire range of reproductive health services matter. And they matter dearly!</p>
<p>The stories from the representatives that you linked were very intense and affective. I&#8217;d like to hope they were also effective but with these ideologues on the opposite side, devoted to thinking of women as chattel? I doubt it.</p>
<p>Let us remind people how horrific the outcomes were in the days of old and how they still are now since so many American women are effectively without access to reproductive health services and abortions. What affects them also spills over to Canada since we especially rely on the U.S. as a provider of late-term (very specialized) care although we should think about that dangerous dependency!</p>
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		<title>By: New Kid on the Hallway</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Kid on the Hallway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I googled Rinne - she has an MA in architecture. (It doesn&#039;t look like a Ph.D. in architecture is necessary to teach in architecture schools.) Her resume is at http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/waters/rinne_resume.html.

(Not that these facts necessarily make any difference, just thought I&#039;d throw them out there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I googled Rinne &#8211; she has an MA in architecture. (It doesn&#8217;t look like a Ph.D. in architecture is necessary to teach in architecture schools.) Her resume is at <a href="http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/waters/rinne_resume.html" rel="nofollow">http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/waters/rinne_resume.html</a>.</p>
<p>(Not that these facts necessarily make any difference, just thought I&#8217;d throw them out there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>??? Her life story sounds very odd. The independent scholar&#039;s, I mean. How did she make so much money at her original job, in Fayetteville, AR? They just don&#039;t pay that well and didn&#039;t in the 90s either. And all that house sitting sounds unpleasant. It seems, too, that the people with jobs she knows are VERY well paid ... dreaming of new cars and exotic vacations as opposed to Guggenheims? Professors would be thinking of the Guggenheim...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>??? Her life story sounds very odd. The independent scholar&#8217;s, I mean. How did she make so much money at her original job, in Fayetteville, AR? They just don&#8217;t pay that well and didn&#8217;t in the 90s either. And all that house sitting sounds unpleasant. It seems, too, that the people with jobs she knows are VERY well paid &#8230; dreaming of new cars and exotic vacations as opposed to Guggenheims? Professors would be thinking of the Guggenheim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do know humanities PhDs who have left academia and make in the low 6 figures ... a fancy tech writer is one; another does market research for big firms; the PhD actually did help them get these jobs because of the heavy research skills you do get from being a PhD. One left post tenure, out of desire to live in LA/NY; the other left after getting PhD, went into business in SF out of need to pay student loans and also desire to live in a city. Neither had time to continue with scholarship in the end, although both had intended to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know humanities PhDs who have left academia and make in the low 6 figures &#8230; a fancy tech writer is one; another does market research for big firms; the PhD actually did help them get these jobs because of the heavy research skills you do get from being a PhD. One left post tenure, out of desire to live in LA/NY; the other left after getting PhD, went into business in SF out of need to pay student loans and also desire to live in a city. Neither had time to continue with scholarship in the end, although both had intended to.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We’ve been rhetorically reduced to ”welfare queens” “sucking at the public teat” as though our work has no value, as though we’re not paying our freight, and as though we are not citizens of the body politic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is very predictable behavior of the greedy ignorant emotional and intellectual slobs exploited by far-right-wing propaganda. The things the government does for *them* and that they can see very clearly with their own eyes despite their gross ignorance and cognitive deficits--such as pave roads, pay for and run police and fire departments, pay for and run the military, etc--are &quot;essential government services&quot; that should never be cut. The things that the government does for *other people*, or whose benefits even to themselves they are too fucken irredeemably pig-ignorant to be aware of (this is where education and research come in), are &quot;sucking at the public teat&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We’ve been rhetorically reduced to ”welfare queens” “sucking at the public teat” as though our work has no value, as though we’re not paying our freight, and as though we are not citizens of the body politic.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is very predictable behavior of the greedy ignorant emotional and intellectual slobs exploited by far-right-wing propaganda. The things the government does for *them* and that they can see very clearly with their own eyes despite their gross ignorance and cognitive deficits&#8211;such as pave roads, pay for and run police and fire departments, pay for and run the military, etc&#8211;are &#8220;essential government services&#8221; that should never be cut. The things that the government does for *other people*, or whose benefits even to themselves they are too fucken irredeemably pig-ignorant to be aware of (this is where education and research come in), are &#8220;sucking at the public teat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy--I don&#039;t know about her background.  I think you&#039;re right that without further training/retraining, one&#039;s professional options are pretty limited.  (At least, I don&#039;t know of any humanities Ph.D.s who have left academia and are happily pulling down $85-200,000 a year.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy&#8211;I don&#8217;t know about her background.  I think you&#8217;re right that without further training/retraining, one&#8217;s professional options are pretty limited.  (At least, I don&#8217;t know of any humanities Ph.D.s who have left academia and are happily pulling down $85-200,000 a year.)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Katherine Rinne previously an architect? Is that why she is so sure she could have a &quot;high-five- or low- six-figure professional position&quot;? I live in town of 30,000 people; my geographic mobility is limited. Outside of the educational institutions in the area, I don&#039;t really know where, as a Ph.D. in history, I would find a job with that kind of salary. Over fifteen years ago I realized there weren&#039;t any jobs for all the over educated women in the area. I went back to school and became a nurse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Katherine Rinne previously an architect? Is that why she is so sure she could have a &#8220;high-five- or low- six-figure professional position&#8221;? I live in town of 30,000 people; my geographic mobility is limited. Outside of the educational institutions in the area, I don&#8217;t really know where, as a Ph.D. in history, I would find a job with that kind of salary. Over fifteen years ago I realized there weren&#8217;t any jobs for all the over educated women in the area. I went back to school and became a nurse.</p>
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