Comments on: It’s funny because it’s true! Plus some thoughts on mortification practices outside of graduate school. http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:08:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Reading Digest: Mendoza! Edition « Dead Homer Society http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-784816 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:20:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-784816 [...] It’s funny because it’s true! Plus some thoughts on mortification practices outside of graduate … – Tisk tisk, only moderate usage in a jokey but interesting post about how much better Ph.D.s are than the rest of us.  In “Lisa vs. the Eighth Commandment”, Homer says “It’s funny cause it’s true”, and in “Bart the Murderer” Fat Tony articulates the “because”, but to my knowledge Homer never actually says “It’s funny because it’s true”.  Philosophiae doctoris indeed, cite your sources!  [...]

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-781273 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:03:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-781273 It seems it is expected to sacrifice comfort and health. I don’t believe in this but I do see that other people do. It proves dedication, intelligence, commitment, and so on, they appear to feel.

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By: Arple http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-781213 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:24:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-781213 I am an ABD. I taught for 37 years at a community college, and nobody cared about degrees, except for the few with Ph.Ds, whom the rest of us ignored. I’ve been part of the New England Quaker Community for about 40 years, and nobody has cared about my lack of a Ph.D. So my experiences are not yours.

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By: Why Did My Calling Have to Be This? « Shitty First Drafts http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-781110 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:34:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-781110 [...] I read Historiann’s post on graduate school as a form of self-mortification with quasi-religious implications, the part of me who wrote this post last summer goes [...]

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780822 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:32:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780822 @ upthread: R. Townsend’s first-ever quantitative analytic piece in AHA’s _Perspectives_, about 1995, I believe–and with a pretty primitive methodology but a somewhat clear-headed analysis–suggested that between 1985 and 1995 the average history department that listed itself in the AHA _Guide to Departments_ (certainly not every department, then) had increased its size by one tenure track position. Hardly robust growth, perhaps not even sustainable growth, but also not really evidence of a concerted effort to adjunctify the profession. What happened after that, of course, is that rather than circling around the ice field to pick up people clinging to debris or drifting in lifeboats, most departments with Ph.D programs speeded up the effort to ramp those programs back up with new admissions. So I’d lean toward Historiann’s “break in the clouds” metaphor, on balance.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780816 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:34:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780816 Historiann, I always knew you were fucken smugge, and now I know why!

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By: comparatrice http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780807 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:54:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780807 I actually went to grad school for the money. I’m serious. The money and the health insurance. I had a humanities B.A. and hadn’t been able to find one of those excellent, remunerative bourgeois jobs that are apparently out there in great quantities for anyone not too smug to take them. (I had a miserably paid office job, followed by a more miserably-paid semi-volunteership, followed by a lot of short-term gigs, if you’re curious.) The “smugness” of grad school has mostly been a welcome alternative to suicidal depression (and in that respect, it probably has made me more employable in the non-smug sector). Not that I’m not academically motivated, or devoid of great pompous visions for improving human understanding. But I honestly don’t think I ever wanted it so much that I would have walked away from a secure, middle-class job to go.

I’m sure I’m in a minority, but I bet it’s not a minority of one. Don’t grad school enrollments track economic downturns pretty closely? I’ve often thought that people discount the short-term benefits of the small stipend, the usually decent insurance, and the soothing social legitimacy of grad school (versus the litany that ends this paragraph), as goods in themselves regardless of the academic job market and all the competing ideologies. It beats unemployment, Starbucks, unpaid internships, temping, data entry… so many unfortunate things that draw in so many unfortunate recent college grads.

And a totally off-topic question — sorry to do this! — as long as I’m addressing this knowledgeable group of people: has anyone ever seen recent literature on the comparative debt loads of male and female college grads, perhaps compared with starting salaries or 5-year avg earnings after graduation? I’ve been wondering a lot about this lately (mixing news memes: our colleges are full of girls! + our colleges are full of debt! + wage gap persists!), but I haven’t turned anything up. Thanks much in advance for any pointers, and for reading this lengthy comment.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780802 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:35:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780802 Thanks, Squadrato. Sounds like malediction forms would be really useful when asked for some letters of recommendation! (Kidding!)

Meghan, you give a really nice description of why grad school is worthwhile outside of the professional preparation, and all of the things you cite are good for young people to do, even if it doesn’t lead directly to the kind of job you trained for. Your experiences sound a lot like mine. I guess I could have moved to a big city or to another country and just have looked to live life’s experiences in my 20s, but I wasn’t really looking for “adventure” per se and liked the formal structure of grad school. And, hey–getting paid to read and write from ages 22-28 isn’t all that bad a deal, even if the money isn’t great. (Like you, I avoided debt and lived on my TA-ship, which is a good thing about not being an adventure-seeking person! I really wasn’t interested in the adventure of student or consumer debt. . . )

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By: Meghan http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780769 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:51:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780769 I don’t know if this makes me smug, but I’m really glad I went to graduate school. I don’t have a job yet, so there’s no telling if I’ll end up in a TT job or not. But graduate school opened up doors for me that wouldn’t have been open otherwise given my family’s socioeconomic situation: I moved to a different part of country, lived in a large city for the first time, and lived in a foreign country for the first time. I also feel much more confident of my abilities to read and write critically. Even if I end up leaving the academy because of the lack of career options, I think I’ll still be glad I entered my graduate program. (I should add, in case anyone contemplating graduate school is reading my comment, that I have been very lucky in my funding for graduate school. I think I would really regret going to graduate school if I were currently looking at huge student loans. I don’t want to come across as too rah-rah about graduate school, not at all.)

PS — Historiann, you’ve got a lot of books to read but just to throw another log on the fire: have you read Anne Schutte’s _Autobiography of an Aspiring Saint_? It’s not about mortification per se, but it raises lots of fascinating issues about femininity and sanctity.

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By: squadratomagico http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/25/its-funny-because-its-true-plus-some-thoughts-on-mortification-practices-outside-of-graduate-school/comment-page-1/#comment-780755 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:36:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13980#comment-780755 Yes, a malediction is a curse: there are lengthy ritual curse-forms that were written out for monasteries to use in case the monks were treated unfairly by local Lords. I think they start appearing in mss. around the 9C- and last through the 12C-, though I’d have to recheck the book to be certain of that chronology.

They call down extensive curses on the offending individual (the formulae have a space where you insert the person’s name) that are spectacularly complete: “May he be cursed standing, may he be cursed sitting, may he be cursed sleeping, may he be cursed eating, may he be cursed drinking, may he be cursed riding, may he be cursed inside and out-of doors; may he be cursed in the fields and in the garden; may he and all his family and all his animals and all his possessions be cursed until he is thrown into the fires of Hell….” Sorta like that (I’m paraphrasing from memory).

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