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		<title>By: Robero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinches Grijngod...</description>
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		<title>By: Robero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinches Gringos....</description>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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Yes the word gringo is very offensive!</description>
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<p>Yes the word gringo is very offensive!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony @ HowtoPeru.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony @ HowtoPeru.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve backpacked throughout South America for about 2 years and have been living in Peru for about the same amount of time. Everyone calls me gringo – I&#039;m a foreigner, so fair enough. It&#039;s not an insult in South America. Peruvians use it among themselves – they often refer to light-skinned Peruvians as gringos (or gringas). It&#039;s never bothered me at all – the only thing that irritates me is when I hear the &quot;green go!&quot; word-origin theory (from the US-Mexico war). It&#039;s blatantly wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve backpacked throughout South America for about 2 years and have been living in Peru for about the same amount of time. Everyone calls me gringo – I&#8217;m a foreigner, so fair enough. It&#8217;s not an insult in South America. Peruvians use it among themselves – they often refer to light-skinned Peruvians as gringos (or gringas). It&#8217;s never bothered me at all – the only thing that irritates me is when I hear the &#8220;green go!&#8221; word-origin theory (from the US-Mexico war). It&#8217;s blatantly wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of seeming beyond the pale of the discourse here, I am inclined to take the position that the person or group addressed always has the right to identify a label as offensive or not, and those who wish to use the label do not have that power.  I won&#039;t deny that one&#039;s position in a traditional power structure can interact with this principle, but I firmly believe that no one should be able to tell me what I should or should not find an offensive label when it&#039;s applied to me, and I believe I should extend the same courtesy to others.  

Telling people to &quot;get over themselves&quot; seems to me to ask others to share our personal sense of what is and what isn&#039;t offensive: it&#039;s about one attempting to enforce one&#039;s own perspective on others. Of course, we all also have the right to actively offend others by calling them names or labeling them through ridicule (e.g., &quot;pearl clutchers&quot;), but no one should be able to say &quot;you shouldn&#039;t be offended by my ridicule.&quot;

I personally wish to re-invigorate the insulting term &quot;fatcats&quot; to refer to powerful millionaires: but I think it would be wrong for me to claim that no one should be insulted if I call them a fatcat, because their status as a powerful millionaire makes them immune to insult words.

I have never felt personally insulted by &quot;gringo,&quot; but I&#039;m not ready to say that no one should be, just because many white people enjoy privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of seeming beyond the pale of the discourse here, I am inclined to take the position that the person or group addressed always has the right to identify a label as offensive or not, and those who wish to use the label do not have that power.  I won&#8217;t deny that one&#8217;s position in a traditional power structure can interact with this principle, but I firmly believe that no one should be able to tell me what I should or should not find an offensive label when it&#8217;s applied to me, and I believe I should extend the same courtesy to others.  </p>
<p>Telling people to &#8220;get over themselves&#8221; seems to me to ask others to share our personal sense of what is and what isn&#8217;t offensive: it&#8217;s about one attempting to enforce one&#8217;s own perspective on others. Of course, we all also have the right to actively offend others by calling them names or labeling them through ridicule (e.g., &#8220;pearl clutchers&#8221;), but no one should be able to say &#8220;you shouldn&#8217;t be offended by my ridicule.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally wish to re-invigorate the insulting term &#8220;fatcats&#8221; to refer to powerful millionaires: but I think it would be wrong for me to claim that no one should be insulted if I call them a fatcat, because their status as a powerful millionaire makes them immune to insult words.</p>
<p>I have never felt personally insulted by &#8220;gringo,&#8221; but I&#8217;m not ready to say that no one should be, just because many white people enjoy privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ on a bike in a pancake hat.  I&#039;m with Koshary.  To the pearl-clutchers: Get the F over yourselves.

There&#039;s a big difference between calling a privileged group names while discussing a huge issue for a less-privileged group, and just flinging insults to put someone down.  I fault NPR for giving this BS any air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ on a bike in a pancake hat.  I&#8217;m with Koshary.  To the pearl-clutchers: Get the F over yourselves.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a big difference between calling a privileged group names while discussing a huge issue for a less-privileged group, and just flinging insults to put someone down.  I fault NPR for giving this BS any air.</p>
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		<title>By: gxm17</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;gxm17, take a look at (or listen to) Hernandez’s whole article. It’s not a news story, but rather an opinion/perspective piece.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I understand that it was an opinion piece but IMO it was presented in a news/journalism venue. NPR is, presumably, supposed to be notch or two (or three) above, say, Fox News. When speaking one&#039;s mind in a professional setting, I&#039;m of the opinion that it&#039;s best to leave out racial slang.

&lt;blockquote&gt;thefrogprincess is right (again!): race, like sex, is disappeared in the analysis of these events, because we have normalized and tacitly accepted white male gun violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s precisely what I said: most folks are, unfortunately, just not interested in because angry white guys with guns are pretty much our national mascots. Not only is this sort of violence normalized, it&#039;s often revered. There are plenty of people who are boisterously proud of the &quot;fact&quot; that this country was established by angry white men with guns, and then there are the rest of us who either quietly or begrudgingly accept that perspective. IMO, it&#039;s a shame that Ms. Hernandez alienated people that would have benefited from her perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>gxm17, take a look at (or listen to) Hernandez’s whole article. It’s not a news story, but rather an opinion/perspective piece.</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand that it was an opinion piece but IMO it was presented in a news/journalism venue. NPR is, presumably, supposed to be notch or two (or three) above, say, Fox News. When speaking one&#8217;s mind in a professional setting, I&#8217;m of the opinion that it&#8217;s best to leave out racial slang.</p>
<blockquote><p>thefrogprincess is right (again!): race, like sex, is disappeared in the analysis of these events, because we have normalized and tacitly accepted white male gun violence.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s precisely what I said: most folks are, unfortunately, just not interested in because angry white guys with guns are pretty much our national mascots. Not only is this sort of violence normalized, it&#8217;s often revered. There are plenty of people who are boisterously proud of the &#8220;fact&#8221; that this country was established by angry white men with guns, and then there are the rest of us who either quietly or begrudgingly accept that perspective. IMO, it&#8217;s a shame that Ms. Hernandez alienated people that would have benefited from her perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Koshary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Koshary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Historiann and Feminist Avatar: In Texas, at least, &#039;Anglo&#039; has relatively little to do with language spoken, and absolutely nothing to do with Anglo-Saxon genetic provenance.  It has everything to do with racial categories that intersect with class and power.  &#039;Anglo&#039; doesn&#039;t contrast with &#039;Celtic&#039; but with &#039;Mexican&#039; and &#039;Black&#039;.

Hence, when I moved to Texas, I discovered that people were sometimes uncertain of whether I were &#039;Mexican&#039; or &#039;Anglo&#039;.  (I speak Spanish and have non-blond, non-blue-eyed features.)  Once they established that my family never came from Mexico, they were satisfied that I was Anglo, even though I have never, ever identified as such.  (And back in Hometown, people would think I&#039;d gone around the bend even to use such an identifier!)  Scots-Americans in Texas identified as such only on Burns Night; the rest of the time, they were Anglo, even if it pained their kin back in Scotland.  

I assume that the racial categories in Arizona, another part of Greater Mexico, are pretty similar in nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Historiann and Feminist Avatar: In Texas, at least, &#8216;Anglo&#8217; has relatively little to do with language spoken, and absolutely nothing to do with Anglo-Saxon genetic provenance.  It has everything to do with racial categories that intersect with class and power.  &#8216;Anglo&#8217; doesn&#8217;t contrast with &#8216;Celtic&#8217; but with &#8216;Mexican&#8217; and &#8216;Black&#8217;.</p>
<p>Hence, when I moved to Texas, I discovered that people were sometimes uncertain of whether I were &#8216;Mexican&#8217; or &#8216;Anglo&#8217;.  (I speak Spanish and have non-blond, non-blue-eyed features.)  Once they established that my family never came from Mexico, they were satisfied that I was Anglo, even though I have never, ever identified as such.  (And back in Hometown, people would think I&#8217;d gone around the bend even to use such an identifier!)  Scots-Americans in Texas identified as such only on Burns Night; the rest of the time, they were Anglo, even if it pained their kin back in Scotland.  </p>
<p>I assume that the racial categories in Arizona, another part of Greater Mexico, are pretty similar in nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Scotland, where we do not consider ourselves to be Anglo- anything, this would be an insult. This is because we see Anglo as coming from Anglo-Saxon, and we view ourselves as Celts- even though this is a bit of a mythical genetic inheritance. Depending on your politics, you might not even consider yourself as speaking English- but rather Scots- which is a recognised language, even if sounds much like English. I imagine some of those biases would have translated across the Atlantic with Scots and Irish immigrants- informing how &#039;Anglo&#039; is understood by the white community, if not how it is used by the latin@ community. Given the similar tensions between Germanic (also Anglo-Saxons) and Slavic peoples, I could imagine that other ethnic groups might also have issues with being defined as &#039;Anglo&#039;. But, this might be about different groups talking across each other, rather than intentionally insulting someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Scotland, where we do not consider ourselves to be Anglo- anything, this would be an insult. This is because we see Anglo as coming from Anglo-Saxon, and we view ourselves as Celts- even though this is a bit of a mythical genetic inheritance. Depending on your politics, you might not even consider yourself as speaking English- but rather Scots- which is a recognised language, even if sounds much like English. I imagine some of those biases would have translated across the Atlantic with Scots and Irish immigrants- informing how &#8216;Anglo&#8217; is understood by the white community, if not how it is used by the latin@ community. Given the similar tensions between Germanic (also Anglo-Saxons) and Slavic peoples, I could imagine that other ethnic groups might also have issues with being defined as &#8216;Anglo&#8217;. But, this might be about different groups talking across each other, rather than intentionally insulting someone.</p>
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