Comments on: Sadly, no surprises: young, mentally ill man murders 6 and injures 14 http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:32:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: The gendered expressions of mental illness and violence : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-829778 Thu, 26 May 2011 14:24:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-829778 [...] sure you all heard yesterday or this morning that the Tucson gunman who intended to assassinate U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and who murdered 6 of … was found incompetent to stand trial for his crimes.  Instead, Jared Loughner “will [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-776453 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:26:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-776453 mandor: I read the evidence from the Times story last night, but didn’t have the heart to write about him again. This is why I think he has more in common with the other mass murderers we’ve heard from over the past few years: VTech, Northern Illinois, the guy who murdered women in his health club in Pittsburgh. Many, if not most of all of the murderers I’ve written about here over the past three years are or were sexist heterosexual men who have (duh!) dysfunctional relationships with women.

Thanks for the link to Echnidne. It’s all so utterly predictable. (And here’s more for the folks who think that too few guns are the problem: two CA high school students accidentally gravely injured by a gun brought to school by a classmate.)

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By: mandor http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-776451 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:16:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-776451 I thought of this post today when I read echidne’s post Did Misogyny Influence Jared Loughner? All sorts of evidence of his hatred towards women it seems.

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By: Is “gringo” offensive? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-774532 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:11:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-774532 [...] a break.  The only people I’ve seen or heard mention the murderer’s race are a couple of commenters on this [...]

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By: KC http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-772701 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:54:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772701 Okay, fair enough. I think you are correct in what you are saying about “guys & guns,” and I found Stephen’s first post in the thread overly accusatory. I just wasn’t sure if I had missed something.

As I said above, I think white, male suburbia produces its fair share of Jared Lee Loughners, regardless of how we want to label their mental afflictions. I have nothing but sympathy for anyone struggling with mental illness. My problem with this incident is the easy availability of guns and the culture that encourages people to act out in violent ways.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-772675 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:40:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772675 I find the accusation that I “slander[ed] the innocent” insulting, especially when I was writing about someone apparently quite guilty of mass murder.

This blog is not about the sensibilities of talking about mental illness and whether or not it’s polite to talk about the mental illness factor in mass murder. This is a feminist blog, and it’s my blog, so I can talk about what I want to talk about and ban whomever doesn’t stay on topic.

This thread is YET AGAIN proof that gender is indeed the most obvious factor in mass incidents of gun violence. We want to talk about just about everything BUT the fact that it’s guys & guns that are the problem.

Anyone who has a problem with this is free to take their business elsewhere!

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By: KC http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-2/#comment-772654 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:48:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772654 I didn’t see any insults in that post, at least no ad hominems.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-1/#comment-772612 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:36:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772612 Buh-bye, “Stephen.” Please find another blog to bother with your insults.

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By: Stephen http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-1/#comment-772607 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:18:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772607 What your last post suggests is part of my point, exactly — being young and male may be significant causative factors, but being “mentally ill” is not. You mention mental illness because you see it as being “determinative” — my point is that it’s not. If you say he had X diagnosis and *that* was determinative, well, although you (and I) would be grossly unqualified to make that judgment ourselves, at least that would be a fairly focused statement.

Personally, I hardly think aspiring for greater precision in language and fewer sweeping generalizations about broad classes of people represents “refined sensibilities” on my part.

Nor do I see this as “letting the killers off the hook” — I see it as not putting the mentally ill as a group *on* the hook.

As for whether the media focuses only on the killers, while the dead are ignored, while I’m not sure I agree with that view, I understand the point. Surely, it has in part to do with our inability to comprehend how someone could do something so awful. But how does reinforcing stereotypes and biases help our understanding?

Nothing I said suggests that I am not, “offended by the assassination attempt on an elected official that injured 13 and killed 6 bystanders.” But since when does our moral outrage entitle us to slander the innocent? That’s the logic upon which objections to the Muslim community center near the World Trade Center are based.

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By: KC http://www.historiann.com/2011/01/09/sadly-no-surprises-young-mentally-ill-man-murders-6-and-injures-14/comment-page-1/#comment-772264 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:40:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=13819#comment-772264 The only woman who really went on a shooting spree that I can think of is Laurie Dann, who killed a second-grade boy in a shooting spree in Illinois in 1988. That was the first school shooting I remember growing up. It really scared me at the time, but compared with more recent events it seems tame now.

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