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	<description>History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</description>
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		<title>By: Monday Roundup: Road runner edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-736156</link>
		<dc:creator>Monday Roundup: Road runner edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 06:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is apt to make unequivocal gestures.&#8221;  Right on.  I would just add that the many blogs (including my own) that have responded to the original post at Inside Higher Ed have avoided talking about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is apt to make unequivocal gestures.&#8221;  Right on.  I would just add that the many blogs (including my own) that have responded to the original post at Inside Higher Ed have avoided talking about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734901</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, definitely. I was just making a cheap joke about the way popular culture paints judges from marginalized groups as supposedly more biased because they are not the &quot;default human being&quot; (white, het, male...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, definitely. I was just making a cheap joke about the way popular culture paints judges from marginalized groups as supposedly more biased because they are not the &#8220;default human being&#8221; (white, het, male&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734890</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, once you make it on the bench, any bench, you&#039;re pretty much presumed to have Olympian objectivity regardless of your race, gender etc.  At least by the legal system.  That is, there is a bias in favor of upholding trial court rulings, and a larger bias in favor of upholding rulings against civil plaintiffs and against criminal defendants, regardless of who the trial judge is.  (See Sonia Sotomayor&#039;s Court of Appeals career, where she overwhelmingly ruled against plaintiffs alleging employment discrimination.)

There are all sorts of codes and mechanisms for getting around talking about judicial decisions as anything other than neutral application of law to facts.  Sometimes the lower court&#039;s application of law is wrong and therefore a decision must be overturned.  But very rarely will the system, i.e. reviewing courts, say the judge is personally to blame, i.e. cherry picking facts or cherry picking law in order to advance a particular judicial or social philosophy or personal point of view about, say, the frequency of employment discrimination or rape.

Those discussions about judicial bias b/c of race, gender, etc., are mostly popular culture discussions.  Those types of discussions do happen in the context of complaints to judicial tenure commissions and the like.  But they are pretty rare and it takes a LOT for the judicial system to go after one of their own.  Think of it like the AMA and doctors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, once you make it on the bench, any bench, you&#8217;re pretty much presumed to have Olympian objectivity regardless of your race, gender etc.  At least by the legal system.  That is, there is a bias in favor of upholding trial court rulings, and a larger bias in favor of upholding rulings against civil plaintiffs and against criminal defendants, regardless of who the trial judge is.  (See Sonia Sotomayor&#8217;s Court of Appeals career, where she overwhelmingly ruled against plaintiffs alleging employment discrimination.)</p>
<p>There are all sorts of codes and mechanisms for getting around talking about judicial decisions as anything other than neutral application of law to facts.  Sometimes the lower court&#8217;s application of law is wrong and therefore a decision must be overturned.  But very rarely will the system, i.e. reviewing courts, say the judge is personally to blame, i.e. cherry picking facts or cherry picking law in order to advance a particular judicial or social philosophy or personal point of view about, say, the frequency of employment discrimination or rape.</p>
<p>Those discussions about judicial bias b/c of race, gender, etc., are mostly popular culture discussions.  Those types of discussions do happen in the context of complaints to judicial tenure commissions and the like.  But they are pretty rare and it takes a LOT for the judicial system to go after one of their own.  Think of it like the AMA and doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734868</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;not Judges who, of course, deliver objective edicts from the heights of Mt. Olympus, free of the petty concerns of mere mortals&lt;/i&gt;

Except, of course, for female, homosexual, or PoC Activist Judges (TM) who let their personal biases sway their rulings in ways that straight, white, male judges never would!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>not Judges who, of course, deliver objective edicts from the heights of Mt. Olympus, free of the petty concerns of mere mortals</i></p>
<p>Except, of course, for female, homosexual, or PoC Activist Judges (TM) who let their personal biases sway their rulings in ways that straight, white, male judges never would!!</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734863</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems that the work examines and dismisses the idea that absolute and pure objectivity is possible, even in the sciences.&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting.  There&#039;s been some work about objectivity in legal theory, it seems most people are agreed that objectivity is not possible and everybody judges everything from their own standpoint.  Of course, this only applies to jurors (and there&#039;s some interesting case law on jury picking) and not Judges who, of course, deliver objective edicts from the heights of Mt. Olympus, free of the petty concerns of mere mortals.

Re:  cynicism,  &quot;No matter how cynical you become, you just can&#039;t keep up.&quot;
-- Lily Tomlin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems that the work examines and dismisses the idea that absolute and pure objectivity is possible, even in the sciences.</i></p>
<p>Interesting.  There&#8217;s been some work about objectivity in legal theory, it seems most people are agreed that objectivity is not possible and everybody judges everything from their own standpoint.  Of course, this only applies to jurors (and there&#8217;s some interesting case law on jury picking) and not Judges who, of course, deliver objective edicts from the heights of Mt. Olympus, free of the petty concerns of mere mortals.</p>
<p>Re:  cynicism,  &#8220;No matter how cynical you become, you just can&#8217;t keep up.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Lily Tomlin</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734853</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma, just because you&#039;ve heard hundreds, nay, thousands of internet d00ds ask biased, ideologically motivated questions re: feminism, cloaking them in a false objectivity that is belied by the content of their posts, you somehow think Mr. Black isn&#039;t as objective and non-ideological and free from an agenda as he claims to be? How cynical of you! Why won&#039;t you give a poor, knowledge-seeking man a chance to learn? That&#039;s all he wants to do!!

Haha, of course, the most politically and ideologically compromised position to take is that of asserting that one is not politically or ideologically motivated.

There&#039;s a new book out called &quot;Objectivity&quot; that I&#039;m anxious to read (there&#039;s a great review of it in the current issue of October). It examines the changes in and the development of the concept of &quot;objectivity&quot; through looking at the changes in approaches to scientific illustration over the years. It seems that the work examines and dismisses the idea that absolute and pure objectivity is possible, even in the sciences. I&#039;m looking forward to reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma, just because you&#8217;ve heard hundreds, nay, thousands of internet d00ds ask biased, ideologically motivated questions re: feminism, cloaking them in a false objectivity that is belied by the content of their posts, you somehow think Mr. Black isn&#8217;t as objective and non-ideological and free from an agenda as he claims to be? How cynical of you! Why won&#8217;t you give a poor, knowledge-seeking man a chance to learn? That&#8217;s all he wants to do!!</p>
<p>Haha, of course, the most politically and ideologically compromised position to take is that of asserting that one is not politically or ideologically motivated.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a new book out called &#8220;Objectivity&#8221; that I&#8217;m anxious to read (there&#8217;s a great review of it in the current issue of October). It examines the changes in and the development of the concept of &#8220;objectivity&#8221; through looking at the changes in approaches to scientific illustration over the years. It seems that the work examines and dismisses the idea that absolute and pure objectivity is possible, even in the sciences. I&#8217;m looking forward to reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDanielsBlack</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734443</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDanielsBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can one help but snigger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can one help but snigger?</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734440</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, but Emma, his questions and the different stories he’s discussed here don’t have a “point” — they’re just innocent inquiries without any agenda or ideological position, questions from a purely objective mind seeking knowledge, only knowledge.&lt;/i&gt;

The advantage of the internet for Mr. Black is that he doesn&#039;t have to struggle to maintain that Gomer Pyle look on his face while he types.  On the internet, nobody can hear you snigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, but Emma, his questions and the different stories he’s discussed here don’t have a “point” — they’re just innocent inquiries without any agenda or ideological position, questions from a purely objective mind seeking knowledge, only knowledge.</i></p>
<p>The advantage of the internet for Mr. Black is that he doesn&#8217;t have to struggle to maintain that Gomer Pyle look on his face while he types.  On the internet, nobody can hear you snigger.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDanielsBlack</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734342</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDanielsBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS, so true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS, so true!</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/25/teaching-while-non-white-and-female/comment-page-2/#comment-734329</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but Emma, his questions and the different stories he&#039;s discussed here don&#039;t have a &quot;point&quot; -- they&#039;re just innocent inquiries without any agenda or ideological position, questions from a purely objective mind seeking knowledge, only knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but Emma, his questions and the different stories he&#8217;s discussed here don&#8217;t have a &#8220;point&#8221; &#8212; they&#8217;re just innocent inquiries without any agenda or ideological position, questions from a purely objective mind seeking knowledge, only knowledge.</p>
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