Comments on: From the Department of WTF? http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:45:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Thoughts on Feminist Education in the 21st Century « Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-726049 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:47:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-726049 [...] An anonymous commenter immediately tossed out the term “class privilege,” which led to a back and forth and the following comments by  Historiann: [...]

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By: liz http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725922 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:17:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725922 Western Dave – Irwin’s was founded in 1869; it’s definitely Baldwin (“for brains”).

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By: FrauTech http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725665 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:44:07 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725665 CPP is hilarious.

KC & Jack- this isn’t Shakesville. I don’t know that Melissa McEwan would want people surmising what she would say or think. But the environment here on this blog is not that of shakesville. I avoid commenting at shakesville because although I think their message is great, there’s a superiority to knocking down others for using “enablist” language or whatever, a holier-than-thou omg you used a wrong word we’re all going to draw a sword through you rather than a “this is what i think” or “this is how your comments make me feel.” CPP was being sarcastic, and hilariously so.

I went to a public co-ed college and I’m still here, no one’s trying to exclude anyone from commenting, no one has to take their crayons and go home.

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By: The Rebel Lettriste http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725111 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:45:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725111 I *heart* Comrade Physio Prof.

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By: Perpetua http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725078 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:59:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725078 Just riffing off Emma’s comment – I would love to imagine a world in which co-ed universities and high schools offered women sufficiently feminist opportunities/ experiences, but frankly I don’t see that happening any time soon, no matter how much the leaders of the Poor Boyz movement likes to talk about the (implicitly over) achievement of girls. As long as the patriarchy persists, we’re going to need single-sex education for young women, just like until we’ve actually achieved something approaching racial equality, black colleges will still play really important roles in the African-American community. Integration – of women into men’s colleges and African-Americans into white schools – was a good thing, but it did come with a bit of a price (ie the loss of strong mentorship by people from one’s own gender/race). I wish I could remember this clearly, but I heard on npr a couple of weeks ago some statistics about the relative achievements of women who went to all-women’s colleges versus coed women (something like 50% of women who are fortune 500 CEOs went to all women’s colleges).

I should say that I’ve never attended single-sex schools, and at my SLAC I received excellent mentorship by female faculty, some of which was explicitly feminist. I really liked being in a coed environment as an undergrad (even in a coed dorm) because it was the first time I’d had meaningful encounters with men as potential friends and fellow human beings, as opposed to love interests or oppositional other.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725076 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:44:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725076 The basic fact is, everything that’s specifically good for women and girls is a threat to men and patriarchy so patriarchy has to oppose it.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725071 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:36:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725071 “Can’t we try to make coed schools more feminist, instead of assuming that of course they can never encourage girls as much as all-girls schools?”

In the meantime, can’t we support and expand what already works? Are we incapable of taking more than one approach when it comes to women and girls?

Assuming that co-ed schools, once sufficiently feminist, will meet everyone’s needs is as cookie-cutter an approach as assuming that only single-sex schools will work.

Millions of kids = more than one approach, I would think.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725065 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:52:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725065 I’m not a historian but I’ve been reading a lot lately about the history of women’s education. One of the major threads I see running through it all is that women are always in the process of finding alternatives to institutions that limit their opportunity and making the alternatives work. That doesn’t mean you stop trying to gain entry to Columbia but while you are wirking on that, you can also make Barnard a top-notch school in its own right. Girls schools were not, by and large, founded for the purpose of liberating women but women have transformed them into that.

I think I can recognize the value in women’s colleges even if I didn’t attend one, ditto for girls schools. I’m not sure why I’d want to limit women’s options. I can work to improve the coeducational environment while also seeing value elsewhere.

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By: Matt L http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725062 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:32:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725062 I am truly impressed by TR’s posts, both parts 1 and 2. I really liked the quotation from Mary Maples Dunn, “A women’s college is the place a woman can learn what gender equality really looks like [...]“

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By: knitting clio http://www.historiann.com/2010/10/09/from-the-department-of-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-725060 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:24:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12763#comment-725060 Anna — that’s what I’m trying to say.

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